Low amount of euro players....and getting lower

[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               Well said NWN DM...
               
               

               
            

[Baaleos]

               Its also important to note
Alot of the PW Servers these days, are becoming more technically advanced.
With the capabilities of area instancing, and other plugins, alot of admins aim for automated servers, that essentially reduce the requirement for admin/dm interaction.

eg - never having to reset areas back to base state, just let the players play in an area instance instead.

This reliance on automated systems etc, could also contribute to decline in admin interactions, and then decline in player interest.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Wids]

               

shadowsallaround wrote...

Grrrrrrahahahahaha...mememememememe!!!

*shakes his head*

Oh, it gets even better, folks.  This goofball, who had never been on the Pirate Isles of the Forgotten Realms server before he got banned from some other server for something that was likely his own fault, made an account on our server just to troll whomever was online...repeatedly sending me and all the other players Tells with this same vomit.  "Grrrrrrahahahahaha...mememememememe!!!"  Ad infinitum.  Pirate Isles had never banned him before that, we never even knew this guy existed before that and he had no legitimate beef with us, but he rolled up a character on Pirate Isles and trolled the hell out of us anyway.

So naturally, I took screenshots of the offending Tells, sent them up to our admin and encouraged the other PI players to do the same.  If the admin never had a reason to ban shadowsallaround before, he does now.

So then shadowsallaround circumvented the ban, rolled up an new character and did it again.  And then he started sending me Tells about his sob story.  "Boo hoo, some big mean admin banned me and tried to get me fired from work!  Down with all admins!  Boo hoo hoo!"  As if I cared in the least.  I only give sympathy to the people who haven't annoyed me, you see.  And given his "mememememe" behavior, I wasn't buying his "Poor me" story anyway.  Obviously, whatever terrible thing happened that made him utterly hate every NWN server in existence, he brought it all on himself.

So he got banned again.  And I made sure that the admin banned his IP# this time.

Hey, shadowsallaround!  Here's a protip: Trolling solves nothing.  You are not remotely as powerful as you think you are.  You will never tear down the "system," which in your eyes probably means somehow wiping every NWN Multiplay server out of existence.

Yeah...good luck with that.

Protip #2:  If you don't like Neverwinter Nights or its community, just uninstall it and leave.  Why go back to your vomit like that?  Why keep banging your head against the wall?  It only takes an admin about two minutes to ban your username, your CD Key and your IP number.  Compared to all the time you spend rolling up characters and trolling people who don't deserve it--wasted time which is probably a lot more than two minutes--you're making a pretty lousy investment.  Drop the masochist ball, pull up stakes, get out and go find something that you'll genuinely enjoy.

Which leads us to Protip #3:  What you get out of a community is what you put into it.  Fun in, fun out.  Misery in, misery out.  If you roll up a character, get involved in the server's story, get involved in other characters' stories and make yourself a welcome part of the server world, you're more likely to enjoy the experience and you'll always be welcome there (even if your roleplay skills aren't exactly top-notch).  If you grief and whine and exploit and troll, you're on the fast track to Banville.

And again, if the server's making you miserable despite all the positive energy you try putting into it, leave.  I don't regret telling off the fascist DM team over at that pile of personally degrading and frustrating bile called The Way Inn, but I do regret spending so much time on that server in the first place.  "Maybe if I stick with it, things will get better.  Maybe if I try just a little bit harder, they'll actually say something nice to me."  Isn't that the stuff that codependent battered wives say about their abusive husbands?  I could have been playing on the tremendous (but now dead, alas) Castlevania: Vampire's Kiss server instead of repeatedly banging my head against the wall over at The Way Inn.  Lesson learned: If you don't like it, leave it!  Just turn around and walk out.

But all of this assumes that you're not the sick type of person who takes delight in self-defeating misery, shadowsallaround.  And if you are, I guess we can't really stop you...or can we?  Maybe after you run out of IP numbers and get yourself permabanned from every server in existence, you'll finally learn this lesson...too late to do you any good, of course.

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As for the topic, a server doesn't necessarily need to have a live DM online at 3:00 AM; all it needs are live players.  I'm a rare example of a nocturnal American who gets to play NWN at work because hey, I work Third Shift.  As long as all my requisite chores get done, nobody cares how I fritter away the rest of my shift.  My workplace has a T1 line too, which is really nice.  And another one of the Pirate Isles players is Australian, so I'm usually on when he's on.  His Wizard of Velsharoon and my Cleric of Umberlee will often sit around gabbing (and giving each other Roleplay XP with our widgets), trading plunder and maybe joining each other on dungeon crawls.  His Wizard isn't too pleased to see that an Umberlant can summon and control undead better than he can, but that's Cleric spells and the Rebuke Undead system (only available to Evil Clerics on the Pirate Isles server, remember!) for you.  

Now that that's out there, go play on Pirate Isles, you European landlubbers.... 
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Wids, 22 décembre 2011 - 02:52 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_cmwise]

               A few of us players got together and decided that we hadn't had good experiences on some of the other servers and that we wanted a PW to log on to and have fun.

So we are a bunch of amateurs at being DM's but recognize what makes some servers unpleasant.

The biggest complaint is probably DM's being punitive and taking the "fun" out of gaming. The "other" players on the server was least likely a complaint.

We started out with a small team working on building then scripting and finally beginning to piece it all together. We are in beta after several months of alpha testing.

I didn't even realize how many of our team and player/testers were Euro.

Frankly speaking, it's nearly impossible to tell if a player is Euro or Yankee..or Aussie?

Spoke to a player today who is in Poland..his English is better than a state-side born Yank as myself.  

As far as style, I can't seem to tell..we all RP at the Inn, we all go kick ...er..venture out in the wilds.

There is really nothing negative about NWN players that I have noticed. We all want to have fun in a fairly free cyber world..no stress or frustration from negative people.  Most of us can get maltreatment from work! I refuse to spend precious free time arguing and fighting with cyber folk.

Time zone is an issue but we (DM's&palyers) make time to be on the server at hours that accommodate most Euros. With technology as it is, it's fairly easy to communicate and schedule activities for all.

Please feel free to visit if you like..
http://thedragonsneck.freeforums.org/
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_SuperFly_2000]

               What is that servers IP? Any HAK's?

(Couldn't tell from your homepage....which I frankly think is some of the most important info you can provide there)

Anyway...what was it that you didn't like about the players on the other servers?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_cmwise]

               Sorry about the post, I'm really not much for doing this sort of thing but this should take you to the DL for the Haks:

http://thedragonsnec...aunch-t325.html


As far as dislikes about other players, as indicated that was the least of problems most of us had.  I think our negative friend up above was one of the issues but I ignored most griefers and unhappy folk.

I think the downside for all new players starting out is kind of like the experience of the long haired hippie walking into the red neck bar...The music stops playing and everyone just stares at you until you get uncomfortable enough to leave.

The cliques are the main problem we all have experienced on some servers and even then that was minimal on most servers. I think the NWN(1) folks are so desperate to keep and attract new players that most players go out of their way to be helpful and friendly.

I look to these forums as a source of hope and support. I have never yet been disappointed by the responses that I have had or support given to even the most new of the NWN crowd. I  use the term crowd lightly since you can view the gamespy site and see many empty servers.

I am of the old school so to speak but never really played D&D when younger, I was really drunk at the time...(heard that somewhere..Pink Floyd?)...

Anyways our beta server is really based around players taking on the challenge of creating an environment that is player friendly, because it's by players for players.
Now that may sound a bit primitive and unsophisticated and in some ways it is. But what it does give us is a mutual feeling of getting together to have fun and not be the target of power hungry ego maniac DM's or rules so restrictive that you are afraid to leave the Inn and venture out for fear of breaking a rule. NO one is on trial or judged for perfection..and all players have different styles of play.

The Dragon's Neck doesn't pretend to be for everyone, since it's about RP and character development at a pace that gives you time to enjoy the company of each other and the beautiful layouts(areas).

We are developing our own lore and making our own history as the written documentation is thin for this area. But there is enough written lore out there to give us a foundation for building a future world based upon the decisions of the players and not the admin or DM's.

That doesn't mean that the DM's aren't active or knowledgeable, but it means that the DM's are approachable and human just like the players. They enjoy folks having fun and have fun helping players do just that...have FUN!

We are in beta and are just developing systems and the economy. It's low magic with custom items, very few default NWN items. Most of the systems are developed around creating a feeling of making this a viable world but not feeling punitive in nature.

Server IP:   24.21.84.206:5121

I actually am not the "admin" but host the server. I am available most days Pacific time. But the server is not bogged down with systems and as such  lag is none existent.
Player base is solid and growing, most are veteran players and serious RP'ers.

We gladly welcome feedback and input from folks who want a positive and fun playing world. We are responsive to folks and their ideas since the server sits in my house, I can access the module immediately and make real time changes.

Several of the developers have access (remote) to the server and can make changes also. No more waiting months for a house to be built or a guild to be formed. We aim to have multiple quests and campaigns going on with real environmental changes happening. IE; if you burn down your neighbors house, with in minutes you can see a burnt out ruins where once stood a house.(just an example, we dont go around burning down players houses, yet!).

The server is over 600 areas with roughly half of those in dungeons, crypts and caves. It encompasses the peninsula called The Dragon's Head and the Tethyr Forest/Wealdath Forest down south to the Starspire Mountains up north to Murann. All of this on the Southern Sword Coast and includes the Nelanther Islands..full of pirates.

The time of rebellion is over and peace is beginning to permeate the land. The elves are no longer persecuted and law and order has been restored to most of the towns.

The starting town is Mosstone with the areas West blocked off. Those areas (already built) will become discoverable by players and open up as DM's and players establish control.

Too much to put it all here and the web site is still being filled in as we go...seems like a long time since building was started almost a year ago. But for those that like to join in and be a part,  this is an opportunity to do so...it's not just a plug and play as each player's voice is important and each player can expect to help form the future of TDN. Don't come and expect to be entertained by DM's (although that happens), but expect to become a part of the excitement and development of this world.  

"A world for players by players"

Hope to see you, come by and check it out. The haks are large and include CEP 2.3. But worth the DL with custom music.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_m8freedom]

               Hi there,

I am a europlayer roaming on a US server. The need for DM's are still there but servers can provide you with many options even without a DM being around. A place that I found suits playing from all over the world is "Aventia 3 Merged, Worlds Collide"
It is needed to have CEP software to play on the server, I believe that is a common package for NWN players still going strong. I am located in Scotland but used to play from Denmark and Czech Republic as well.

To any (euro)player that consider seeking something international I would definitely recommend this place. for 8 years I have been playing on and off using different servers, but always seem to return to this one. It just matters less which timezone i am in when I play there and many interesting modifications has made playing more exciting even after all these years. :]

Anyway, check forum for more details if you feel like it and either way, give it up for NWN, cya in game!
http://social.biowar...oup/4586/#group

Happy 2012! 
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_m8freedom]

               For the ones that just want to get started a bit faster:

Aventia 3 Merged, Worlds Collide

1. Server IP: 67.212.184.90:5121
2. Post 40 "unlimited" levels.
3. Lotsa player contributions (players can be builders if they wish to)
4. The amount of areas to venture through might be close to 1000, for those who like variety and exploring.
5. The server fits several playing styles and does not restrict you in the way you are suposed to play.
6. Atmosphere is welcoming and you do not need to prove yourself before being allowed into parties. (I socialize alot at times when im online, but that is ofcourse my own choice).

Come take a look if you are curious. Your version of CEP has to be 2.3 or higher, and then you are good to go. '>

Cya in game
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               This is an easy server to login - ArgentumRegio - it is likely ou already have the hak needed (CEP 2.1 or better).

We get a fair number of euro timezone players - and in fact our lead scripter is in such a zone, so activity (tho varies) is pretty much when you want to login on this server. Like many servers, if numbers are at or near zero, just login and soon others will follow, though lately we've had at least a handful of players logged in at most times.

The server is very PNP - allowing PCs to do things (unassisted by DMs) that help immerse the player and help them interact with a world that is presently supporting 1337+ Areas, lag free, crash free.

Servervaults are backed up regularly - and archived so your PCs are safe here.

14-man-years of development have gone into this module - and the coder is pure genius, a masters degree programmer. This is a place worth exploring, and we strongly recommend any new player take time to run the tutorial areas (Noob U. we call them) where the PC can get some free gear and even (optionally) level as high as 4th for free.

Hope to see you online!

Be well. Game on!
GM_ODA

http://playnwn.com
server IP : 66.232.100.90  CEP 2.1+
forum: http://aldohral.forumotion.com
24x7 we bring the game.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par ehye_khandee, 11 janvier 2012 - 03:40 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Zarathustra217]

               Come play on Ravenloft POTM! It has all this and lots of... oh wait, that isn't the topic. '>

More seriously though, we've had the numbers rise again lately all around, with lowest player count in the 15-20ish range. Others noticing the same?
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Zarathustra217, 12 janvier 2012 - 07:40 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Metaldwarf]

               

Zarathustra217 wrote...

Come play on Ravenloft POTM! It has all this and lots of... oh wait, that isn't the topic. '>

More seriously though, we've had the numbers rise again lately all around, with lowest player count in the 15-20ish range. Others noticing the same?

Indeed, my old main rp server has seen a resurgence in popularity over the past few months and it's inspiring seeing people who have never played nwn before being excited about participating. Unfortunately, a couple of good rp servers have ceased to be due to internecine issues or lack of interest on the part of the admin/devs/dms and I see this trend continuing as it has been over the past several years. Those servers also had a fairly even split between NA and European players as well.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Wids]

               

Metaldwarf wrote...

Indeed, my old main rp server has seen a resurgence in popularity over the past few months and it's inspiring seeing people who have never played nwn before being excited about participating. Unfortunately, a couple of good rp servers have ceased to be due to internecine issues or lack of interest on the part of the admin/devs/dms and I see this trend continuing as it has been over the past several years. Those servers also had a fairly even split between NA and European players as well.

Since you mention it, it does seem like a few servers have gone under lately, including some big ones.  I wonder if the Master Server's death may have something to do with that.

And it also brings to mind the situation between Forgotten Realms: Cormyr and Pirate Isles of the Forgotten Realms.  Pirate Isles was created by a DM who defected from FRC, so players in one server's community have naturally heard a great deal about the other.  But recently, both servers have lost their head admins to burnout or lack of interest.  The difference here is that the jaded Pirate Isles chief had the good sense to hand his crown off to a DM who still cared about the server, while the jaded FRC chief did not.

So now FRC has been offline for months with no sign of coming back up anytime soon, while PI is still running and expanding, and more former FRC players have been finding their way over to PI.  One server's loss is another server's gain, it seems.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_m8freedom]

               How would I best find other NWN players near me? I live in Edinburgh Scotland, and would like to get in touch with people who share my hobby of NWN. Maybe sometimes meet up and play NWN from same location. Extending my hobby to something which is not only me being alone in a room in front of my screen. :]]

Anyone out there close to or in Scotland?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_henesua]

               You should post your query on Neverwinter Connections as well.

Also its not location that matters as much as compatible availability. Some of the folks that play on Vives these days have  unusual work schedules that would make them more compatible with Euro players than American ones. Its been quiet with them the past couple weeks, but when they were playiing regularly I noticed that they were online during the day, which means your night.

Anyway... just a few pieces of advice. Good luck to you.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_m8freedom]

               I wanted to meet up physically :]] maybe once a month or week or whatever would be possible. Even if it was rarely. Combining gaming with hanging out IRL '> I like that idea. :]] I should probably try posting in Neverwinter Connections as you say. :]] Thank you for your comment. Where are you located?