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Legacy_Pstemarie

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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2011, 01:49:18 pm »


               Shadowsallaround - do you ever post anything that DOESN'T whine about getting banned or that DOESN'T push your personal religious views at other people?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2011, 04:44:41 pm »


               Some random thoughts to take or leave. These apply to any timezone as I haven’t personally seen much evidence of a different culture depending on whether a server is hosted in North America or Europe:

i) Encourage players from less well catered for timezones to post their likely play times on their forum signatures. DMs and other players can’t work out when a given player is likely to log on by consulting a crystal ball.

ii) If there are only two or three of you online (irrespective of timezone) and another player logs on, consider how you can accommodate them if you aren’t in the middle of something major at a far flung corner of the server. It is extra important to be sociable and inclusive OOC when player numbers are low, for example, if you are playing at a less common timezone. If you don’t go out of your way to interact and encourage new players, chances are your server will gradually become less and less active.

iii) Where possible, get calendar functions on your forums to encourage players to organise pre-arranged sessions. Particularly at weekends, this will give players from rarer timezones a better chance of getting interaction with players from the main timezones.

iv) Provide even limited DM support to player instigated pre-arranged sessions where possible. It is a pity, but generally players seem to have no interest in such sessions unless there is an OOC motivation for them to do so. Even something like an RP based item in a loot drop, or an unexpected monster spawn would take very little effort but can encourage people to attend pre-arranged sessions in the future.

v) If you have a trusted player (particularly in a timezone with no DM coverage), consider giving them some tools to aid the enjoyment of others (e.g. some funds or items on the condition that they be used as RP incentives/props to provide motivation for other characters). Sure, there is potential for abuse, but there are ways of getting around that. A good player with some resources can be almost as positive for a server as a good player with access to the DM client. Alas, the most RP focussed players are often the players that have the poorest characters as they spend less time going from dungeon to dungeon. It is hard for the poorest characters to provide RP incentives to richer, more powerful characters. This could be used in tandem with iv) above.

vi) DM coverage is important, not just to inject a degree of unpredictability in the story, but for more basic things like freeing players who are stuck in the scenery, greet newcomers, make sure rules are being observed and standards maintained etc.

vii) Consider temporary/junior DM slots to players in different timezones if you are reluctant to hand over the keys to the car. Or guest DM slots for more trusted longstanding players to run a one-off campaign etc.

viii) If your server has XP penalties for soloing or being in a small party (a good thing in my book for RP servers to encourage partying and interaction), consider how to make this fairer in a timezone with very few players. One particularly elegant solution I saw was a place that withheld the XP penalty for soloing until the server had a certain number of players online.

ix) Get your server listed in this thread so people can quickly check if your server is active at certain times.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2011, 10:44:57 pm »


               

shadowsallaround wrote...

I won't name names or say who it was but one particular group went as far as turning me in to my job and reporting me for being on their website while at work. They went as far as finding out my jobs number and calling them to report me in a failed attempt to get me fired. Welcome to nwn. A place where even the admins go as far as trying to get you fired at your job. You can only find it there on your wonderful nwn servers. The one and only wonderful dms and admins to turn you in to your job in an attempt to get you fired.

Must just be you.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2011, 11:20:20 pm »


               Nopey dopeys.  It was an admin you silly dope.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2011, 08:19:51 am »


               Think for a minute.  How would you feel when the admin and pals on his/her site had continuous arguments and instead of their same rhetoric bans, they take it too seriously and inform my place of employment in an attempt to get me fired.  Welcome to nwn and their circle of friendship.  Only here do they do such despicable acts.  Most people would hunt them down vigilante style.  Sometimes I feel like just doing that.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2011, 08:57:53 am »


               

Zarathustra217 wrote...
I wonder how much of it is influenced by the master server being down though. NWN PWs with their sort of mini-MORPG setup have always suffered from the fact that attracting activity requires already having some degree of activity - something low activity hours are much more prone to suffer from. One should not disregard the value of the gamespy chat in game either - it had some communicative function that I think may easily be underestimated.


For sure, low activity feeds low activity. So euro time seems to fill a couple servers only...also the language barrier within europe doesn't make it better (as we might have mentioned already).

...and yes, the master server being down for so long doesn't help...
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2011, 09:04:57 am »


               

shadowsallaround wrote...
Or perhaps most of the dms from every server have banned the hell out of all or most of the European players that there just isn't much players left to be had from that part of the world.


I actually wanted to touch this subject a little.

I don't think all the euro players are gone because of bans...thats pretty unbelievable. However I do sense a difference in mentality bewteen US and euro. Dare I say that we are more free-spoken and perhaps sometimes a bit too blunt for our own well being?

In a harsh and for us seemingly strictly governed environment we do not only risk to get banned but also to simply be neglected or ignored by the bulk of the player base.

I'm not saying that all US players only indulge in long conversational roleplay and the europeans don't. It's not that simple. I am just going to go back to what I said initially and I hope that most RP servers would open up for more styles of playing...
               
               

               


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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2011, 09:18:52 am »


               

shadowsallaround wrote...

Think for a minute. How would you feel when the admin and pals on his/her site had continuous arguments and instead of their same rhetoric bans, they take it too seriously and inform my place of employment in an attempt to get me fired. Welcome to nwn and their circle of friendship. Only here do they do such despicable acts. Most people would hunt them down vigilante style. Sometimes I feel like just doing that.


Hogwash. The only reason a Server Admin would ever contact an employer is if that is where they tracked your IP address to. Any such contact would have been not an attempt to get you fired, but to put a stop to you accessing their server and to report conduct that was against the rules set forth by your employer's ISP and society in general. Its not their fault your employer took appropriate action and disciplined you for misappropriation of work time and employer owned equipment and bandwidth - the blame lies solely with you.
               
               

               


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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2011, 02:56:03 pm »


               

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

shadowsallaround wrote...
Or perhaps most of the dms from every server have banned the hell out of all or most of the European players that there just isn't much players left to be had from that part of the world.


I actually wanted to touch this subject a little.

I don't think all the euro players are gone because of bans...thats pretty unbelievable. However I do sense a difference in mentality bewteen US and euro. Dare I say that we are more free-spoken and perhaps sometimes a bit too blunt for our own well being?

In a harsh and for us seemingly strictly governed environment we do not only risk to get banned but also to simply be neglected or ignored by the bulk of the player base.

I'm not saying that all US players only indulge in long conversational roleplay and the europeans don't. It's not that simple. I am just going to go back to what I said initially and I hope that most RP servers would open up for more styles of playing...


Actually, my own experiences would counter what you say. I've found most European Players I know to be amongst the better RPers. As for who is the most outspoken, I don't think there's a distinction between those in the US and elsewhere.

As for your request, "and I hope that most RP servers would open up for more styles of playing", I'm not certain what you mean exactly. I'm not a fan of PWs that all but force you to sit around a town or tavern "RPing", but neither can you allow players to possess conflicting styles or allow selfish behaviors. On my own PW, we actually openly promote PCs getting off their barstools and grabbing a weapon and exploring, After all, the game is modelled after D&D, a game where players create characters and act out the roles of heroes, villians or just armored buffoons if they wish. Personally, if I ever feel the urge to sit around a town all day just chatting, I'll play the SIMs instead. '<img'>

My own PW is usually unattractive to "power gamers" simply because we enforce various rules and guidelines. So when someone ignores our character creation rules, violates our dungeon visit rules (IE, the time between visits to the same dungeon), etc.... they tend not to stay long, whether by their own choice ... or mine. I don't think its fair to expect an RP PW to allow "anything goes" just to accomodate all player types. Its the responsibility of each and every player to review a PW's rules and regulations beforehand to see if they will fit in or not. joining and later complaining that the PW needs to change/allow "X" just to accomodate their own preferences is simply a selfish expectation and most likely doomed to failure.

Lastly, there's the "Nobody is Home" syndrome that many smaller PWs (especially newer ones) suffer from constantly. IE, despite being pretty cool, innovative and fun, a PW with a small player base will often get ignored for its lack of players. Often, a player will login and after just a couple minutes, logout because they were alone. Just as often, I've seen 6-10 players do that in the course of an hour, just missing each other by virtue of impatience. If most would spend just 10-20 minutes IG before logging, they'd likely soon find themselves running into others alot more. They don't though. Some don't even login and instead glance at the numbers IG from GameSpy. Then they see that PW "X" has a decent crowd and migrate there. Since there seems to be fewer Non-US players, this makes it even harder for others to find a group to hang out with. So anyone looking for others to explore with I can only recommend they speak up. Let others you know and like playing with know your playtimes and desires. Myself, I keep Skype open for requests from those I know. You can fins others using a variety of resources like Neverwinter Connections: http://www.neverwinterconnections.com/ , The various Face Book Groups; http://www.facebook.com/groups/nwncp/ or even the XFire Group that was created: http://www.xfire.com...s/superfly2000/ .
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2011, 04:57:45 pm »


               Pstemarie - I didn't get fired.  As a matter of fact they thought it was silly and stupid.  But then again, most admins that host nwn are pretty absent minded and have no life anyway.  Complaining to ones job about unfair treatment?  You just have to be kidding, but this is nwn nodding by some stuck up retards that don't think things through first.  Me and my boss had a good laugh at this.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2011, 09:31:52 pm »


               

shadowsallaround wrote...

Pstemarie - I didn't get fired.  As a matter of fact they thought it was silly and stupid.  But then again, most admins that host nwn are pretty absent minded and have no life anyway.  Complaining to ones job about unfair treatment?  You just have to be kidding, but this is nwn nodding by some stuck up retards that don't think things through first.  Me and my boss had a good laugh at this.


I'm sure the mature behavior you've displayed in these forums - and no doubt on the Servers you visited - had nothing to do with your getting banned. You remind me of the middle school children I work with who are completely unwilling to take ownership of their own poor choices.
               
               

               


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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2011, 02:37:45 am »


               

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shadowsallaround wrote...

I won't name names or say who it was but one particular group went as far as turning me in to my job and reporting me for being on their website while at work. They went as far as finding out my jobs number and calling them to report me in a failed attempt to get me fired. Welcome to nwn. A place where even the admins go as far as trying to get you fired at your job. You can only find it there on your wonderful nwn servers. The one and only wonderful dms and admins to turn you in to your job in an attempt to get you fired.

Must just be you.


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« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2011, 04:56:31 am »


               Grrrrrrahahahahaha...mememememememe!!!
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2011, 07:29:34 pm »


               

shadowsallaround wrote...

Grrrrrrahahahahaha...mememememememe!!!

You know, even if you were to have fool someone with your "woe is me I am completely innocent and being persecuted on the internet by the big bad NWN PWs who stole my lunch money" routine, the general quality of your continued stellar posting make it more likely that anyone so fooled initially, will conclude that you're just trying to stir crap up, and are, in fact, a troll looking to drag a thread into the realm of Off Topic.

Usually, based on 10+ years of experience in this on-line community, if there's a big issue of players being treated poorly, then;

a) there's significantly more than one person with similar stories of misconduct, and/or;
'B)' the issue fades away because players stop populating the server and it dies a self-induced death.

I've seen a and b happen a few times, but nowhere near as often as simply some '****** jumping around trying to make a spectacle of him/herself, which tells everyone all they need to know.

Usually in these cases, the reality shows us that someone who doesn't play well with others or with rules to restrict disruptive behaviour, has gone somewhere where such behaviour isn't tolerated, and the people responsible for maintaining "order" for their creation, have acted accordingly.

I know which possibility I'd be my vCash on.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2011, 07:36:34 pm »


               And back On Topic... I strongly suggest that the PW environment itself is to blame at least partially.

If a player just connects for some hack/slash action, who cares if anyone else is on-line.

If a player connects to participate in an ongoing story, and interaction with others, then being by themselves on an empty server means everything.

I'd strongly suggest that people start making proper/more use of the NeverwinterConnections website.  You would be surprised how easy it is to gather the same people for an ongoing game, on a regular schedule (say weekly or bi-weekly), once you get established (admittedly, this does take a bit of work).

Get people logging-in knowing that their "regular" gaming partners are going to be there more often than not, mix in a DM to keep things moving, and you have a decent chance at success, even in late 2011.