What RP or Story servers do you play?Are they becoming obsolete?

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

Aelis Eine wrote...

TSMDude wrote...

Why do people contuine to harp on hardcore role players?

Why shouldn't they? It's on topic, unlike tangential references to Tea Party rallies and Lara Croft.

Black sheep do exist in the RP community and yes, they are one reason why people are run off.

If you don't like reading about why people think RP servers are in decline maybe you shouldn't, y'know, come into a thread about it?

I came into this thread awhile ago, friend. And it seems to me we are diametrically opposed. I had no problem with angelrogue stating his displeasure but his naming and then contuinal harping of one server was too much.

I see you did not which makes me think that you value the negative side of things but then again that is just from the amazingly small post you have made so I have no way of knowing if that is true or not. Forgive me my ignorance of your stances as I am sure I can forgive you for the ignorance of my own.

My post was right on topic as the two above me that you quote the small piece from where directed at one person who states that he contuines to rail against elitist servers and has contuined to make assumptions about "hardcore" role players.

I do not assume to know much about other peoples playing habits or lack of or even masive girth of...I merly state that it has become common place to throw rocks at hardcore role players as something bad when indeed it is not for you or you or you or me or him or her to decide. Much like the cheater in sp mods thread this is a discussion on Where is Waldo with Waldo being roleplaying servers steeped in Lore and/or hardcore role players.

(Gulp, there goes my tangential references again! If you like I can explain in detailed footnotes the Waldo, Tea Baggers, and Lara Croft mentions complete with links and such but I did not know I was being graded.)

I am by nature a postive person. I have to be. I have kids and beleive the nature of man is kind and stoutish. So when I set forth a please dont knock hardcore roleplayers or ANY other gaming style post and then get someone annoyed that I did and questioning why I wandered into this fray...way way back in the first few post it makes me wonder why someone would get angry at what I posted?

Is it because you feel slighted due to my political leanings? Is it because of the Lara Bosom refference? Is it because you yoursef do not like hardcore role players? (I doubt that last one tbh but hey, to each thier own I say.)

I am not sure what I did to earn your ire unless you are one of the players banned recently though I doubt you are WF since you have stated you are retired from NWN for the last 6 months or so it seems strange that you would wander into this thread about the state of affairs now being removed from the game so long....

Just obsevations and I hope you have a wonderful gaming day free of stress and small smelly cats who step on your keyboards.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Arinoch]

               

Metaldwarf wrote...

Actually I don't think disparaging any kind of rper is 'on topic'. TSMDude made some good points. I've been on rp servers where I was essentially criticized for knowing too much lore about the setting and expecting people to rp accordingly. I have very high standards when it comes to certain settings and I personally don't see anything wrong with that. However, often times I'm forced to downplay my own 'hardcore' rp for the sake of others, which I also don't find a problem with although it makes the game less interesting and exciting for me. I am sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Honestly that's why I like TWI. Not to keep sounding like a troll or anything, but I like a server where I can properly explore organic character growth in the FR setting. My last server sort of capped things at PG-13, so heavier subject matter wasn't explored so much. I'm not saying I'm down with the cybering, or violence against women, or anything else that could be considered an heavy R rating, but just having that limit in the background somehow kind of capped the realism I was looking for, and felt weird. On TWI there's a chance to find temples that have been desecrated by evil forces, and yeah, that's not going to look too pleasant. There's a reason not everyone in the land can be categorized as an "Adventurer", after all - even just _seeing_ a demon should do some brand of emotional scarring.

Also there wasn't any potential for perma-death, whereas on TWI if you head off alone into a distant cave and die after level 5, your body needs a raise dead/res/etc. so otherwise your body's going to sit there until someone stumbles upon it (which they can do when you're offline, don't worry), after which it can be carried back to a priest in town...slowly. There is, kindly, an option to respawn until you pass level 5, but
don't do it just after you die alone or you'll still be surrounded.

It's all kinds of little things that make a world feel like an actual world and not a game world, and when you combine it with a setting where FR lore is embraced, you can really do some great stuff. I'm not super versed in FR lore, but I adapt well and am happy to learn new things (heck, that's what a low lore skill helps with).

But I digress. I totally agree, Metaldwarf.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Aelis Eine]

               Rest assured, it's not because of any of the reasons you listed - I'm not a US citizen so I don't have much of an opinion about the Tea Party, nor am I a particularly big fan of Tomb Raider. And I don't think I've spent more than 5 minutes on TSM before deciding it wasn't my kind of server.

I am effectively retired from NWN in that I don't play NWN regularly, though I do check back on some old favorites now and then and keep a lookout for upcoming servers to try.

Anyway, since you claim that by nature you are a "positive person", you should be able to recognize that negative feedback can be taken positively or constructively. But what I've seen from you so far, is that you've been going into threads just to express your displeasure and stamp a good discussion out.

On my very first day on these forums, I saw you shooing people off a thread just because you were not interested in WoW. And here, when people are talking about roleplayers, I see you doing something similar.

The main thing that draws my "ire" is that because of your posts, people may be discouraged to carry on, or they change their arguments to take a more defensive angle. I don't know how much information I am potentially missing out on because of that.

Of course, since am looking from the lens of an outsider, I am more inclined to probe for more details rather than take a stance for or against the bashing of, for example, WSI or hardcore RPers. But perhaps I should be more sensitive to people more emotionally invested in either subject.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

Aelis Eine wrote...

And I don't think I've spent more than 5 minutes on TSM before deciding it wasn't my kind of server.

I am effectively retired from NWN in that I don't play NWN regularly, though I do check back on some old favorites now and then and keep a lookout for upcoming servers to try.

Spending 5 minutes just fyi on any server is not judging a server for its worth...if I had just done 5 minutes then I would have missed out on the wonderments of Thay, the backstabings and fun of City of Arabel and the lifelong foolish friends I made from Forgotten realms Cormyr.

5 minutes is what it takes to reheat pizza or a hot pocket not delve into something that might have taken its creators upwards towards 200 plus hours to make. (And I would dare say every PW out there took longer than that I would hope.) To give a server only 5 minutes is rude to the maker of said module in more ways than one.

Aelis Eine wrote...

Anyway, since you claim that by nature you are a "positive person", you should be able to recognize that negative feedback can be taken positively or constructively. But what I've seen from you so far, is that you've been going into threads just to express your displeasure and stamp a good discussion out.

Not true if you look back on about the last few hundred of my post and even further back to the orginal board. I have sent folks several times scripts and build mods, offered advice when asked and commented on several awesome add-ons I have seen done. Have there been times I have responded or called out someone? Of course there has. Have I always been on the right? Nope...but neither have I always been in the wrong and while I may be passionite about my stances I in no way slam another for liking action NWN servers vs hardcore rp servers vs SP modules.

Aelis Eine wrote...

On my very first day on these forums, I saw you shooing people off a thread just because you were not interested in WoW. And here, when people are talking about roleplayers, I see you doing something similar.

The main thing that draws my "ire" is that because of your posts, people may be discouraged to carry on, or they change their arguments to take a more defensive angle. I don't know how much information I am potentially missing out on because of that.

Well, if it is WoW info I care very little if you miss out on that here. This is not a WoW board thank the true gods. I make no secret I do not like WoW or Evercrack or any of the other games. i like NWN and that is why I am here on a NWN forum section. i rarely venture out into other games because besides PnP and LARP I like NWN. Did I mention that I like NWN on a NWN forum site?

Aelis Eine wrote...

Of course, since am looking from the lens of an outsider, I am more inclined to probe for more details rather than take a stance for or against the bashing of, for example, WSI or hardcore RPers. But perhaps I should be more sensitive to people more emotionally invested in either subject.

 Emotionally invested or not is not the problem. There is no outsider in a Community unless you make yourself one. This is the NWN Community and by some extension a slice of our own DnD Community at times.

I make no illusions that I myself have been in the wrong before and wonders never cease I will be again. Yet on this subject I think I might be on the right for once...quick someone tell my wife....and it seems two times now we have had to bump heads. I am sorry for that but as I said above...diametrically opposed and all that seems to me to be a good fit for our interactions....

By any chance to you normally play elves?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_AngelRogue]

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I came into this thread awhile ago, friend. And it seems to me we are diametrically opposed. I had no problem with angelrogue stating his displeasure but his naming and then contuinal harping of one server was too much.
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Actually I only made two posts, despite people continuing to put me down over it. And only one of those posts focused on the server I truely disliked. And that was only because of what was said about my disliking the server FROM that server's people. If you look back, you'll see that the harping were from them. 

Anyway, I don't think that RP is on the decline. Just as people move forward with the things that want out of RP, thier tastes become more defined. Hence, everyone spending so much time server hopping so that they can find that certain big bad that they are looking for. 

And yes, I do play elves '>
               
               

               

                     Modifié par AngelRogue, 07 mai 2011 - 04:08 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_NWN DM]

               

TSMDude wrote...

And I agree with the rest of your statement as it is very true that the anonymity of the tnternet often makes folks spout things or act in a way totally devoid of common sense.

Or common courtesy.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_AngelRogue]

               Ok. New review for you. This last week I spent on Arelith. I had tried this server before for like a day, over a couple of years ago. So I decided, due to the amount of players on it, that I'd check it out again. I love how much they have available, quests and such, and I love how in depth the server is. But it is lacking in a few departments. I've found that it does not give you much diversity as far as the looks of the character goes. Also it is an extremely slow leveling server. I don't mind slow leveling, as it lets you enjoy the low level encounters that much more. Anyway, it seems a good server if you want a lot of players and small quests; but if you want diversity in styles and are interested in leveling quick, it might not be the place for you. So far though, it does seem that everyone stays in character there and not too elitest, so that's always awesome.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Metaldwarf]

               

AngelRogue wrote...

Ok. New review for you. This last week I spent on Arelith. I had tried this server before for like a day, over a couple of years ago. So I decided, due to the amount of players on it, that I'd check it out again. I love how much they have available, quests and such, and I love how in depth the server is. But it is lacking in a few departments. I've found that it does not give you much diversity as far as the looks of the character goes. Also it is an extremely slow leveling server. I don't mind slow leveling, as it lets you enjoy the low level encounters that much more. Anyway, it seems a good server if you want a lot of players and small quests; but if you want diversity in styles and are interested in leveling quick, it might not be the place for you. So far though, it does seem that everyone stays in character there and not too elitest, so that's always awesome.

Ha, you hit upon the major crux of the reason people love and hate Arelith...the lack of any downloads and CEP. I admit, when I loaded NWN back onto my old laptop two years ago the main reason I chose Arelith was because it had the largest playerbase and required nothing more than the 'Diamond Edition' of NWN, which I had recently purchased.However, the scripters there are amazing and it never felt 'vanilla' to me, largely because it is the only RP PW (maybe the only PW ) server that utilizes a truly unique custom content script. Almost every piece of furniture, item crafted (from statues to weapons and armor to bloody beer and food!)etc is player created. Most of them have glorious custom descriptions and the character name in the title. I could extol the virtues of Arelith, but that isn't why I responded....even if seems so. The converse of not having to download custom haks and content is that the world does look and feel dated. I know some folks who refuse to play there due to this alone, and these are (imho) good rpers with a footing in the lore of Arelith (which is primarily based on FR with some 'creative license') who simply cannot deal with the way their characters look. I understand because my first foray into CEP servers and custom content, especially after my 5 year NWN hiatus, was like playing a new game.

As to the playerbase, it is like anywhere else:There are definite cliques that have been playing together for years. The main difference I  found is that since the pop. is so large, there are new cliques forming all the time. Arelith is not for everyone, and no matter how much a server feels like home, everyone needs breaks from time to time. Ultimately it's up to each person what they determine to be best for them, and one reason I created this thread was to encourage that dialogue. 
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Metaldwarf, 07 mai 2011 - 09:44 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Aelis Eine]

               Perhaps diametrically opposed is the best way to describe it, but at least we agree to disagree '>

Anyway, the time factor is not a new argument as far as reviews go - outside the realm of NWN, it was cited as an issue in Eurogamer's review of the MMO Darkfall, that the low score of the original review was not justified as the reviewer did not spend enough time in the game.

The prevailing counterargument is that first impressions are important, and the first five minutes are an important factor in swaying a player's opinion.

In the case of TSM, the impression I got was that the rules are long and the tone of the entry quiz gave a sense of elitism. I may be missing out, but there are many similarities between PWs with such an entry design, and I found them not to my taste.

I can't say I gravitate towards any race in particular, though I do frequently tend towards characters that break the stereotype, like Dev critting halflings, Half-orcish archers and Dwarven druids with an affinity for earth spells and shapes.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               Dated design, slow leveling, and lack of haks are the only real downside to arelith I found, too. Totally agree on all of that. As a designer I kinda cringe to look at it, but you're right... from the idea of only using original content it's not bad. Nice roleplay there though.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

Aelis Eine wrote...


In the case of TSM, the impression I got was that the rules are long and the tone of the entry quiz gave a sense of elitism. I may be missing out, but there are many similarities between PWs with such an entry design, and I found them not to my taste.

LOL...that is or was Legends of Luruar not TSM in its present condtion. The owner/host of TSM was not happy with the direction it was going and asked us, players/scripters/builders from City of Arabel and Forgotten Realms Cormyr to rebuild it.

A split happened and the current DMs, well ex DMs now took over the old module and we rebuilt and kept the name and like phoenix rose out and up. In 1 and a half years we have become quite popular and even last night had 18 players plus 3 QLs on for most of the night. (Six hours as the QLs ran a huge quest which kept almost every on the whole server involved.)

You are more than welcome to check out the new TSM but I warn you we are slow leveling and very intense role playing...but no entry quiz I assure, lol.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Aleron]

               ...I was seriously wondering where they had got the idea of the entry quiz. The only thing I recalled from the start of TSM was a rather informative tutorial area to start you off that introduced most of the systems. Honestly I thought it was rather well done and got you some basic equipment before tossing you head first into the game world.

Plus the opportunity to adjust your outfits is always a hit with me lol. '>
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Metaldwarf]

               I love TSM's starting area personally. I always check my FRCG every time I make a character to see if the region I want them to be from has the IG items from the book. Usually they do!
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TripleAught]

               A lot of different topics going on in here. I think that one thing I'm taking away from all of the discussion is that RP servers aren't going obsolete, there are still quite a few people passionate about serious role-play through the NWN platform.

I think that the fact there are still so many servers active for a game that's 10 years old speaks to it's excellence as a platform for enabling worlds that role-playing can happen on. The diversity of types of PWs has really been one of the strengths of NWN.

I know that we are trying not to let serious role-playing servers become obsolete and I'm glad to hear that other worlds are too.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_SuperFly_2000]

               They are not obsolete. Just stale, pretended and boring.