Persistent World Griefers

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               All it take sis one computer to intiate a protocol that releases several handler computers/nonoperated fellows and viola. You have a DDoS. i know because I worked for fightthesmears.com during Obama's Presidental run and we constantly dealt whith trolls, thugs and desperate scriptkiddy fanboys constantly and I am not even a pc guy and know this.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Quilver]

               In that case you are suggesting he has compromised about 50 other computers, which is an even more serious allegation.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

Quilver wrote...

In that case you are suggesting he has compromised about 50 other computers, which is an even more serious allegation.

Well you better report me to the proper authorties for slandering again...is that your next move? The Orlando Police Departments phone number is (321)235-5000 if you wish to make a complaint on behalf of whoever.

Look forward to hearing from you Quil/MS.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par TSMDude, 29 mai 2011 - 04:07 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Zanzibarr]

               I might be able to offer some insight, because I am one of the aforementioned dummies who joined the 'NWN Greifers' forums along with 2 others (Which one are you, Sona?). I got a pretty good look into the minds of the griefers. There appear to be about 5 active griefers in their ranks. Btw, I didn't get those emails, Sona_? I was on the mailing list (and still am, I think). I do recall Merselpath saying something similar to GLoRToR, in that if you keep pressing the case, haranguing the forums/host/ISP, then you can get action taken. Their first forum on ProBoards got shut down. There were no mentions of these forums (social.bioware.com), though.

I did get a good look into the minds of these griefers. What surprised me is that they seemed to be friendly to each other. I expected it to be like the 4chan forums, but it was civil enough. There appeared to be two fairly smart guys at the top, and the other three were idiotic stooges. It wouldn't surprise me much if they did engage in illegal activities, because they seemed crazy enough to. Surprisingly, Forumer hasn't shut them down yet. I and another member contacted Forumer about it, but we didn't get a response. Maybe they just haven't checked them out yet, but it's also possibly because they are being more sneaky and careful to not sound like psychos.

What was strikingly clear to me was that they had too much time on their hands, especially Merselpath. I mean, they were dissing the players who spend their lives RPing in a fantasy world, but they probably put in almost as many hours targetting and griefing them. There was no talk of hacking, though. One stat-boosting 'technique' was posted, but there wasn't really any other juicy information. The forums were mainly focussed on the operational side of things, and they seemed to take pleasure in doing the same thing over and over again (raiding servers and posting the screenshots of people dying).
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Quilver]

               

TSMDude wrote...

Quilver wrote...

In that case you are suggesting he has compromised about 50 other computers, which is an even more serious allegation.

Well you better report me to the proper authorties for slandering again...is that your next move? The Orlando Police Departments phone number is (321)235-5000 if you wish to make a complaint on behalf of whoever.

Look forward to hearing from you Quil/MS.

Why would I report you? I am telling you to be careful.

If you do wish to make claims of illegal activity, then it is always necessary to post the evidence. That is what I am warning you of.

What's more, these forums are not a place to be airing dirty laundry. If you think someone has broken the law, you report them to the appropriate authorities. Naming and shaming on a public forum is not a good idea in any circumstance.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Fellanor]

               I'm reporting this thread. It is just going round and round in circles. By arguing with each other, we are not helping the fight against griefers. What we need to be focussing is how to root out griefing - Not bickering about law enforcement. Making sarcastic jibes and petty slander also reflects badly on those particular posters.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Quilver]

               No, I'm with you Fellanor. This thread has probably run its course. But, if someone is going to make an accusation, then they need to give the full evidence behind it. Vague accusations without substance reflects terribly on those individuals, and they don't seem to realise it.

Also, I am tempted to report one particular poster for his generally derisive attitude and for appearing to accuse me of being someone else ('MS'). However, I know that most people take what this particular poster says with a pinch of salt, and the best strategy is usually to ignore the blatant trolls..
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               The sheer irony of you two saying that is amazing to me. I literaly loled out loud here when Quilver a name associated with a Mob of Squirrels and Fellanor of all people (How is Strugart this time of the year btw?) are threatening to report me....oh...thank you fellows for a great laugh today.

I wish you well and will check in on Tuesday as tomorrow is Memorial Day and have to see some friends about a BBQ.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

PurpleDragonKnight wrote...

These griefers are basically playing the game in a different way to us. We are roleplaying, while they are chasing us round with a great axe. Is that annoying? Yes. Is that lame? Yes. Is that illegal? No. It is never illegal to break the rules of a gaming server, and the authorities are likely to laugh off your claims.

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[Legacy_NWN DM]

               Why is it when an man talks dirty to a woman, it's called sexual harassment, but when a woman talks dirty to a man it's $19.95/minute?
               
               

               
            

[Baaleos]

               

TSMDude wrote...

Quilver wrote...

DDoS does indeed require many, many attackers. To bring down a standard game server would take a minimum of 50 different network connections sending pings. You certainly can't do it with one person, or even 10. If it's one person, then it's not DDoS. Then again, TSMDude tells us that it is not hard to do. Got something to confess?

Unture again Quill...man you must get tired of being wrong. With one computer you can easily do it.

This technically wouldnt eat up much bandwidth of a targetted victim.

Because the 'Multiple' machines are on the local side of the internet connection, you are still only using a single machine/ISP External IP Address, and limited to the bandwidth of a single host.

The more effective DDOS which are harder to trace too, are when you have multiple external IP's converging on a single internet node or server.

eg
PC -> Internet ->
PC -> Internet -> Target
PC -> Internet ->

eg - 3 Internet Connections draining the bandwidth of a single Internet Connection.
The Diagram posted earlier, sort of implies that the Compromized machines are all on a local network, behind an internet connection/firewall.

(Most Single People, can do DDOS, all it requires is more than one computer, but ideally, more than one Connection)



Also - it should be noted, that DDOS' definition in the legal sense was redefined a few years ago to include any form of attack that intentionally brings down a server.
It came after a court case where someone bought down a company server by sending Millions of e-mails to the mail server.
He got off scott free, because at the time, the law said
"It was an e-mail server, it was designed to accept e-mails, all he did, was send e-mails...."


Also - in terms of DDOS,
Most modern routers can block the common forms of TCP DDOS - TCP is a connection requiring socket type, without an accepting host on the destination side, the DDOS wont send.

UDP on the otherhand, is a Connectionless Socket Type, allowing you to broadcast raw data at any destination you want.... the data either gets there or it doesnt, in either case, it will travel as far as it can, and congest networks along the way.
UDP is limited in packet size though, making it not very feasible for DOS attacks.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Eradrain]

               I thought it was common knowledge now that Quilver is the guy who's been griefing various servers.  Kind of surprised that people on this thread, of all places, are actually humoring the guy with serious debate, given that he's trolling the lot of you.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Eradrain, 02 juin 2011 - 11:27 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Fellanor]

               

Eradrain wrote...

I thought it was common knowledge now that Quilver is the guy who's been griefing various servers. Kind of surprised that people on this thread, of all places, are actually humoring the guy with serious debate, given that he's trolling the lot of you.

Quilver is respected member of the community. His posts are always reasonable and factual. You, on the other hand, have a reputation which precedes you; as a poster who flames threads and trolls posters, being contrary for the sake of argument and often lying to try to back up your point.

I know that others here agree with me, because you have been steadily making a nuisance of yourself on these forums for the past few months. I strongly suggest that you leave now before you dig yourself into such a deep hole that you cannot climb out.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

Eradrain wrote...

I thought it was common knowledge now that Quilver is the guy who's been griefing various servers. Kind of surprised that people on this thread, of all places, are actually humoring the guy with serious debate, given that he's trolling the lot of you.

LOL...none of us are taking him very serious and hence the laughing sarcasm we have been doing on Skype.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               

NWN DM wrote...

Why is it when an man talks dirty to a woman, it's called sexual harassment, but when a woman talks dirty to a man it's $19.95/minute?

We're just smarter than you '>
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Jenna WSI, 02 juin 2011 - 06:19 .