FunkySwerve wrote...
Merselpath wrote...
I am Merselpath, head of the organisation commonly known as the NWN Greifers. I am not here to argue with anyone, but to take part in a conversation. Most of us griefers are reasonable people.
Based on your group's showing here thus far, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. 
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I am the only member of our group on these forums, AFAIK.
We are a small group. At our peak, we had about 6 active griefers. I have always been our most active member. At the moment, we are going through a quiet phase. The months of January to April were extremely productive. We have griefed a range of NWN servers, hitting some very hard. On each of Ravenloft, Arelith, Amia and FRC, we have killed around 200 characters.
That's it? I thought you guys had a larger brag list than that. Something like 20 servers?
I gave you the 4 most-hit servers. We have a 'brag list' of much more than 20 servers. On most servers, we have made around 50-150 kills, but have reached the 200 mark on those 4 servers.
I would like to make it clear that we only 'attack' within the game, and never outside of the game. We log on and kill people, which is what the game intended us to do. We never engage in illegal activities, like hacking servers.
Ah, I see, you believe that because of piece of software contains any exploitable bugs (and what software doesn't?), it manifests anthropomorphic qualities like intent, and further, that it intends you to exploit those bugs despite the express wishes of those running that software. Do I have that about right? Do other inanimate objects besides software often express their thoughts to you in this fashion?
Too deep for me.
It obviously isn't in my interests to reveal here exactly what method we use. Some servers have protected against particular methods, but we are frequently discovering new techniques. There is really a lot that one can do with NWN.
I'm confused. Why would it not be in your interests to reveal your methods? Come now, don't be modest, let us bask in your brilliance. Unless, of course, you realize that you're accessing these servers without permission, in which case your hesitance to reveal your methods makes sense. And it's hard to see how you couldn't, given the acrimony directed at you for your activities, some of which you highlight later in this post.
It makes it far easier to produce counter-scripts if you know exactly what methods we are using. You seem to enjoy trailing off on your own thoughts, though...
I have received numerous threats. The folks on FRC apparently wanted to find me and break my legs and arms. Others just wanted to smash my house up.
I see. So you DEFINITELY are aware that they don't want you on their servers interfering with their play. Thanks for clearing that up.
I definitely am aware that some people take this game too seriously, yes. My aim, though, is to have enjoyment.
The harsh reality, however, is that most of the people making these threats are angry nerds who probably step outside the confines of their mom's basement very infrequently. A lot of people are addicted to NWN. If anything, we are helping those people, by showing them that they are pursuing an addiction which they can't even control.
Oh, I get it now! You're good samaritans! What a relief! And here I thought I'd have to draft some letters to clear up this little misunderstanding.
Oh, you're another lawyer? Every server has about 20 lawyers playing. Why are lawyers so attracted to NWN?
I myself used to RP on NWN quite obsessively, and I look back on that period with shame. I was playing at least 6 hours every day. Now, I spend about 2 hours a day griefing. I still consider it to be a slightly unhealthy habit, but it provides me with some quick fun. I do it because I enjoy it. I view it as a hobby. A lot of players tell me, after I've killed their character, that I have no life. But hey, they are devoting their own life to a fantasy world. So... *shrugs*
So because you had a problem with gaming addiction, everyone who plays games must also? Did your coffee table tell you so, or did you reason your way to that conclusion all by your lonesome? '>
Only one way for you to find out.
I would like to point out that scare-mongering does not affect us. We have enough experience with the internet, that we know when someone is BSing.
Fantastic! Then you should also be able to tell when someone is NOT feeding you a line. This is great news.
My ISP are decent and fair. I would never do something illegal with my computer, but if I ever did accidentally do something illegal, then they would notify me of it, and I would make sure that it didn't happen again.
Actually, pumpkin, it's not the ISP's job to monitor illegal activity. It's the governments, though ISPs will occasionally step in, usually in order to avoid liability themselves. The fact that they haven't told you you're doing something illegal, is not a magic seal of legality. But I digress! Since you say you would never do something illegal with your computer, and would stop if you were informed that you had, we can end this silly dispute right now! Since you've admitted to accessing protected computers against the express wishes of their owners and causing harmful interference with their play, you are in violation of F.C.R Ch. 18 section 1030 sub. (5)(A). Further, if you did so by means of stolen or keygenned cd keys, as it certainly appears based on the number of cd keys of some of your members, you are also in violation of the same section, sub. (6)(A). Since, as you say, you're a reasonable guy, I'm sure it will not be necessary to inform anyone else of this fact, and you'll just stop, as you claim. I'm so glad we could have this little chat.
You're waffling again, and inferring things which aren't there. I'm not sure what your motive is, but you have wasted an awful lot of time telling me how badly you're gonna screw me over in the courts of law. Why not just go and do it, instead of possy-footing around here?
When did I access a protected computer, and where do I admit to that?
Sounds like you have some great evidence there. Confessions from me which exist only in your head.
I haven't read every post in this thread, but some posters have said stuff along the lines of: Don't take yourselves so seriously. I recommend that everyone listens to them. If NWN is causing you to get stressed out, then take a break. Step outside. People get worked up over games, and it is ultimately because you can't control everything that happens in them - even if you want to. That's just the nature of multiplayer games.
So the stated goal of your group as expressed in the NAME you've annointed it with is to cause grief, but you don't want people to get worked up. Did your toaster oven grill up that little gem for you?
Funky
Nope. We're greifers, not griefers.
Get over yourself.
Modifié par Merselpath, 05 juin 2011 - 05:42 .
