Is Your Script a Part of a Compilation Without Your Permission?

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

I agree with Thos.

 

Anyway, truth is that EULA is a garbage in most countries and I dont think there is anyone enforcing EULA on NWN anymore. There always has been custom content violating EULA from earliest times of NWN and Bioware knew it and they even supported it. Im talking about camera hacks and NWNX.

 

Im quite sure I could distribute a modified nwmain.exe within my patch project and there would be no consequences. Actually numerous PWs doing the same. You can even get NWN for free on torrent.There is nobody who would care anymore. Hell NWN no longer has official webpage and its a matter of time when they shut this forum down. Thats how things really are guys.

 

 

 

If it would be package like CEP, Q, CPP, PRC I would agree this is a problem, but mass backup archive? Seriously TR thats like you would mind your script is part of the Rolovault which is essentially the same, a compilation of all scripting (and not just scripting) projects just in a bit different format and without compression.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tchos]

               

There always has been custom content violating EULA from earliest times of NWN and Bioware knew it and they even supported it. Im talking about camera hacks and NWNX.

 Im quite sure I could distribute a modified nwmain.exe within my patch project and there would be no consequences.

 

I agree, you probably could.  The reason behind forbidding modification of the EXE was probably to forbid people from circumventing their DRM, or even to forbid people from using the engine as a basis for an unrelated game, not to forbid people from enhancing the gameplay.  And now it doesn't even have any DRM (aside from in the premium modules).

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               

 

It's not a matter of opinion

 

 

The first thing you've said here that makes sense. The text is clear, you cede some rights when you post it. Stated clear and simple as the terms and conditions of posting it. THAT makes all the rest nonsense. Doubt me? Fine, anyone can lawyer up and clear the air; somebody please file charges and prove me wrong.

 

Nowhere in the text of the agreements is your arguement supported. Nowhere is anyone required to ask the author for anything further once it is posted. Not even copyright demands that by these terms the author licensed it to the system. The system allows use by users. Period.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               

The EULA is not garbage - you agreed to it and you could be held to it in the country specified in the enforcement clauses.

 

Likewise the TOS of the services you join.

 

To think otherwise really begs a lawyer be retained for advice.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               

 

Im quite sure I could distribute a modified nwmain.exe within my patch project and there would be no consequences. Actually numerous PWs doing the same. You can even get NWN for free on torrent.There is nobody who would care anymore.

 

 

 

I'm sure you could, but there would likely be repurcussions.

 

Much of what you posted here is irrelevant to the law; you can buy heroin on the street but that does not make it legal.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tchos]

               

The first thing you've said here that makes sense.

 

I see Thayan was right.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               

I see Thayan was right.

 

Oy, no, Thayan was wrong. As I stated, anyone can lawyer up and prove me wrong, and I'll stand corrected. Otherwise it is your amateur opinion vs my amateur opinion in the court of doodly-squat.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

The EULA is not garbage - you agreed to it and you could be held to it in the country specified in the enforcement clauses.

 

Likewise the TOS of the services you join.

 

To think otherwise really begs a lawyer be retained for advice.

No definitely not in my country. Hardly anywhere in east europe.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               

No definitely not in my country. Hardly anywhere in east europe.

You have a citation in caselaw that says as much? voids the entirety of the NWN EULA in your country?

 

In any event you misunderstand I suspect - read the EULA it specifies the country and state under whose laws it is enforceable.

 

Under the laws of that state/country, it is enforceable, and contains a severability clause in the event some portion of it is struck down the rest remains.

 

Agreements are generally held to be binding.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tchos]

               

Under the laws of that state/country, it is enforceable, and contains a severability clause in the event some portion of it is struck down the rest remains. Agreements are generally held to be binding.

Otherwise it is your amateur opinion vs my amateur opinion in the court of doodly-squat.

 

You seem to want it both ways -- arguing that your interpretation of the law is correct in one place and arguing that none of us non-lawyers can claim true understanding of the law in another.

 

Considering you said that nothing of my posts made any sense except for that one sentence, I think I can discard your opinion of anything.  That kind of hyperbole is not indicative of a productive conversation.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               

You seem to want it both ways -- arguing that your interpretation of the law is correct in one place and arguing that none of us non-lawyers can claim true understanding of the law in another.

 

Considering you said that nothing of my posts made any sense except for that one sentence, I think I can discard your opinion of anything.  That kind of hyperbole is not indicative of a productive conversation.

 

The text is clear, you cede some rights when you post it on IGN.

 

No, you mischaracterize me again, I don't want it both ways. I believe I am correct. I would not bother to debate any of it otherwise. I argue that the text is clear, and you enter into these agreements the TOS and EULA willingly.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tchos]

               

Yes, it is clear.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_The Mad Poet]

               

I know people feel like it is good to have 'Control' over what they put out. I also think it is just good form to give credit where credit is due when you use someone else's work. It's the right thing to do. However it is rather silly to think that anything you put on the internet in any way remains in your own control. It's why any work I put out I just consider anyone being able to do anything with it they want. I could care less if you print my scripts and use it for toilet paper. The reality is I just can't do anything about it. It's ludicrous to think I could. Maybe there is some legal wording or contract that lets you claim ownership or whatever (Law is something I am less familiar with then medical surgery, and I've never been to med school), but it doesn't really change the fact that you're putting something on the internet freely for a community to use. Adding to the already large pool of resource for all of us to wade in and use at our leisure to make this game even more fantastic. Everyone uses other peoples work, and most add a little to that pool, giving us all something a little better. That's the point.

 

It also kind of breaks the spirit of a sharing community when permissions and requirements have to be met to use anything. I try my best to be respectful of peoples work, and seek permission when asked, but I feel like it really shouldn't have to be that way. If you find someone using your work... smile and be happy that you've helped... don't get upset that they didn't give thanks or ask permission. 

 

At least that's how I feel. To each their own.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_NWN_baba yaga]

               

I agree on that and i´m sure that rolo or who ever compiled those scripts didnt thought about any single scripter asking for permission... they saved the scripts imo and nothing less. I hope you see it more in a positive way Tarot, you are respected and i doubt it was on purpose to upset you '>

 

"It also kind of breaks the spirit of a sharing community when permissions and requirements have to be met to use anything. I try my best to be respectful of peoples work, and seek permission when asked, but I feel like it really shouldn't have to be that way. If you find someone using your work... smile and be happy that you've helped... don't get upset that they didn't give thanks or ask permission". 

 

About the EULA... i dont care personaly or am afraid of something something happening. Lots of nwn content were used without permission in the past which caused some drama here and there between factions or single people but thats about it. Only thing i recall were a bioware mod jumped in and made a statement was in the CEP case... were rainbow willy wanted to marry sue us cuz of copyrights... '>

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Proleric]

               Setting academic debate aside, let's acknowledge that new vault has, to date, reflected the de facto situation admirably, namely, that NWN is, broadly speaking, an open community, with a few explicit exceptions.


Pragmatically, in those exceptional cases where an author has restricted content usage, it's unwise to use it.


So, sadly, since Tarot wants this removed, I believe we should, even if the simplest way is to take down the whole project.


It begs the question - should Tarot's restricted material also be removed from Rolovault? After all, this project is just an archive of that site. Inevitably, rescuing the old vault content had to be automated as a bulk transfer, but we've been open to removing projects on author request.