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Legacy_Xardex

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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2011, 08:07:41 pm »


               

_Guile wrote...

this is not a real script


Blasphemy! The script compiles!


In a sentence, the strong will survive.
If not, galaxies will explode.
               
               

               


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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2011, 09:26:24 pm »


               Hmm...well...if the monsters are less than or as challenging as the player then all the monsters die. If the player is less challenging than the monsters, the player dies. Else the world dies..but as far as the script gos it can't since either of the other scenarios will be true. Maybe we're supposed to let that slide. So the greater power always wins. Seems to have a lot to do with challenge so I'm ganna say:

Challenge Based Module?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2011, 10:49:37 pm »


               

GhostOfGod wrote...

Hmm...well...if the monsters are less than or as challenging as the player then all the monsters die. If the player is less challenging than the monsters, the player dies. Else the world dies..but as far as the script gos it can't since either of the other scenarios will be true. Maybe we're supposed to let that slide. So the greater power always wins. Seems to have a lot to do with challenge so I'm ganna say:

Challenge Based Module?


You are looking at a very important aspect of the general message, the challenge, but you have not solved the riddle, what is the general message?

Challenge Base Module, all 3 answers are wrong..
               
               

               


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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2011, 06:28:18 am »


               This script is bad news for  monsters with crappy stats that do not show up in sufficient number to ensure a favorable outcome for themselves.  I suppose they can hope that their encounter is triggered by a weak player otherwise.

It could be construed to say: the outcomes are just a comparison of their cumulative stats vs. mine, so why bother fighting, just add'em up and decide that way.  A sort of trivialization of the game.

The way that the # of monsters is multiplied by their stats, suggests to me the function is trying to mimic or predict outcome; that the script is trying to "model" how the difficulty of a monster spawn grows quickly if their stats are higher compared to having more of them.  Where the terms the model accounts for are grouped into these black-box variables: PC_STATS and MONSTERS_STATS.

The module will never die as long as there are players and monsters, though it will never die without either,  But like the functions, there's no point without first, a player, and second, monsters.

creature balance model?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2011, 04:31:31 pm »


               Maybe the general message is nothing more than the age old observation that Good and Evil are intricately linked like the two sides of the same coin?  That one cannot survive without the other and that they must always be balanced.  When one is greater than the other all of reality collapses in upon itself?

As far as what "cbm" stands for.....  I couldn't even begin to hazard a guess.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2011, 07:03:28 am »


               General message, close to balance but not 100%. Character/Creature, Behavioral, Motivation or Character/Creature, Behavioral, Modification LOL

Morally and Philosophically I don’t agree with balance.  There is only one Truth,Way,Life.  And since you said logic wont solve riddle or guess general message.  I'm going to take a chance and get a little philosophical and Science-y

1)Good and Evil don’t need each other.  Good can stand alone and will.  Ware evil comes in is What is your moral compass.  The Moral law giver the standard, which you believe.  This gets into a big Philosophical debate. good/evil is relative. etc.  No time for that here I don’t think Guile put that much thought into the riddle....although with the name like Guile...*scratches head* Maybe....

2) In the natural state of the world we live in, from all forms of flora and fauna.  The strongest generally survive, unless of course someone intervenes and helps the weaker.  We see this in humans and animals mainly.  Although in cases of bactria and other micro organisms some have a mutation that allows them to survive something that others can’t, but they often lost the ability to survive what others could. hence the mutation.

So in regards to the riddle script, a creature is trying to find a solution in the area they are in.  Similar to what all of us do in every day life.  Although In a civilized society we can’t kill the hostile’s unless our life is in danger, and then we can be prosecuted for even defending our self’s.

P.E.T.A..”He killed that bear...They are a indangered Animal.”
PC “ It was charging at me..Besides I thought PETA stood for People.Eat.Tasty.Animals.”

Hence ware Law comes in due to peoples/creatures in ability to self govern, which we all have fallen short of from the smallest thing to the largest thing.  Creating what people call Balance, yet is Accountability for ones actions in a civil society.  

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Hence the word civil as defined by Webster:

Civil
CIVIL, a.

1. Relating to the community, or to the policy and government of the citizens and subjects of a state; as in the phrases, civil rights, civil government, civil privileges, civil war, civil justice. It is opposed to criminal; as a civil suit, a suit between citizens alone; whereas a criminal process is between the state and a citizen. It is distinguished from ecclesiastical, which respects the church; and from military, which respects the army and navy.

2. Relating to any man as a member of a community; as civil power, civil rights, the power or rights which a man enjoys as a citizen.

3. Reduced to order, rule and government; under a regular administration; implying some refinement of manners; not savage or wild; as civil life; civil society.

4. Civilized; courteous; complaisant; gentle and obliging; well-bred; affable; kind; having the manners of a city, as opposed to the rough, rude, coarse manners of a savage or clown.

Where civil speech and soft persuasion hung.

5. Grave; sober; not gay or showy.

Till civil suited morn appear.

6. Complaisant; polite; a popular colloquial use of the word.

7. Civil death, in law, is that which cuts off a man from civil society, or its rights and benefits, as banishment, outlawry, excommunication, entering into a monastery, &c., as distinguished from natural death.

8. Civil law, in a general sense, the law of a state, city or country; but in an appropriate sense, the Roman empire, comprised in the Institutes, Code and Digest of Justinian and the Novel Constitutions.

9. Civil list, the officers of civil government, who are paid from the public treasury; also, the revenue appropriated to support the civil government.

The army of James II was paid out of his civil list.

10. Civil state, the whole body of the laity or citizens, not included under the military, maritime, and ecclesiastical states.

11. Civil war, a war between people of the same state or city; opposed to foreign war.

12. Civil year, the legal year, or annual account of time which a government appoints to be used in its own dominions, as distinguished from the natural year, which is measured by the revolution of the heavenly bodies.

13. Civil architecture, the architecture which is employed in constructing buildings for the purposes of civil life, in distinction from military and naval architecture; as private houses, palaces, churches, &c.

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So before I ramble on, the riddle keeps some sort of law similar to what ever object is strongest, destroying the weaker.  Just from the script. so one has a tendency to think the “c" is creature/character/ challenging, etc.  or Civil.

The “b” gets a little trickery since we have a clue about balance people have a tendency to migrate to that word.  Yet in the script I see behavior [HOSTILE] and logic tends to see Behavior, yet were told logic wont solve, or helps very little to solve the riddle.  

And well the “m” might as well be MWAAAAH from Guile since in the script something dies LOL.

so Another guess I have is “Constant”, for “c”, I think I’ve given above “b” and “m” answers

the message screams “survival of the strongest”, by the script. but also it makes me think “Character, Bad,Moment” if the monsters are stronger.  â€œCharacter, Blessed, Moment” if PC stronger.

I better stop Rambling...I get close?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2011, 07:35:57 am »


               just going to throw a random answer:

cant be mastered
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2011, 12:41:41 pm »


               *throws out answer also*

gen = RUN!    

because

cbm=   Canned Beaneating Monster

I hear they smell worse than 10 Dwarves on holiday.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2011, 06:51:08 pm »


               

Knight_Shield wrote...

*throws out answer also*

gen = RUN!    

because

cbm=   Canned Beaneating Monster

I hear they smell worse than 10 Dwarves on holiday.


This by far is the most entertaining & commical answer yet, lmao.. '<img'>
(But way off)
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2011, 06:51:46 pm »


               

zero-feeling wrote...

just going to throw a random answer:

cant be mastered


All wrong on cbm..
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2011, 06:56:47 pm »


               Everyone is focusing on the outcome of the script or what the script does, or what cbm may represent, but you will not even begin to guess cbm till you solve the general message.

The message has a lot to do about the challenge comparison & the results of that comparison, but those things are NOT the message, they are leading you up to the message, you have to step back and think what is the script-er trying to convey here?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2011, 07:31:53 pm »


               

_Guile wrote...

Everyone is focusing on the outcome of the script or what the script does, or what cbm may represent, but you will not even begin to guess cbm till you solve the general message.

The message has a lot to do about the challenge comparison & the results of that comparison, but those things are NOT the message, they are leading you up to the message, you have to step back and think what is the script-er trying to convey here?


Erm, you posted in the scripting forum. therefor, if your script is flawed, so is your riddle.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2011, 07:43:26 pm »


               

kalbaern wrote...

_Guile wrote...

Everyone is focusing on the outcome of the script or what the script does, or what cbm may represent, but you will not even begin to guess cbm till you solve the general message.

The message has a lot to do about the challenge comparison & the results of that comparison, but those things are NOT the message, they are leading you up to the message, you have to step back and think what is the script-er trying to convey here?


Erm, you posted in the scripting forum. therefor, if your script is flawed, so is your riddle.


I tried to point this out and got accused of fousing on the script.  He did try and correct the script one time, It general message was totaly differant the first time, before he modified it.  Now its flavor is compleatly different.  One has to wonder if the logic in the script is correct even this time.  Having a psuedo script and a script with bad logic are two differant things.  Here I think we have a combination of the two.  A Pseudo script with bad logic.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2011, 01:16:07 am »


               There's an apparently uninjured man, dead with a hole in his suit.  What happened?

A man with a fatal knife wound lying on the floor surrounded by 53 bicycles.  What happened?

What creature walks on four legs in the morning, two in the afternoon, and three in the evening; and the more leges it walks on, the weaker it is?

Once the context those situations are describing is guessed, the answers are obvious.  Those are what come to mind when I think riddle.  What makes them cool is, in what appears to be a situation that could possibly be described by a number of contexts/situations (albeit, some are large stretches), there is one context or situation that explains it more clearly than all the rest.  When you finally see it, it makes you think - ah hah, it's so obvious now.

I'm hoping the author has a legitimate riddle (i.e. the general message and cbm are uniquely described by the clues in this script, not just one among many arguable possibilities).  If the author needs to adjust the script so as to make it appropriate, I have no issue with that.  I would be very put out to find it's a ploy to feed hungry narcissism, and not very creative at all.

cbm is an acronym for something in English right? '<img'>
Since I posted, I might as well guess again...
Is the general message that the game is often only about stats and the player besting the monsters or vice versa, but in the background there are more options than just you destroying me, or me them, but the way things are setup, those options aren't allowed for?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2011, 01:36:38 am »


               

Terrorble wrote...

There's an apparently uninjured man, dead with a hole in his suit. What happened?

Hmm, Swimming perhaps?

A man with a fatal knife wound lying on the floor surrounded by 53 bicycles. What happened?

Actions have consequences, at least  if you are caught.

What creature walks on four legs in the morning, two in the afternoon, and three in the evening; and the more leges it walks on, the weaker it is?


Hmm,  Crutches, Rehabilitating  bars, then cane.  No that does not work.  Will have to give this one more thought.   
               
               

               


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