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Legacy_Estelindis

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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2014, 06:28:33 am »


               

Nevercallmebyname wrote...

I also mentioned that I don't have access to my larger computer. I have several creatures in progress on the other computer I just cant work on them at this time. That is why I asked for the bugbear replacement. It would be easier to just compile other people's creatures but I'd like to do some of the work that gets seen in game as well.

I kind of feel like only half of what I've said has been read because I'm starting to repeat myself a bit.

No, I read everything you said.  However, if I wanted to make some content but had no access to my CC computer, I would wait until I did rather than asking someone else to do it for me.  I mean, to the best of my knowledge, any computer capable of running NWN is capable of running its modding tools - and if your smaller computer can't run NWN, then you don't really need the creature until you're back on your larger computer anyway.  I assumed that you would think about it the same way.  Clearly, I was mistaken about that much.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2014, 07:03:09 am »


               MerricksDad: Excellent summary. Well played.

Nevercallmebyname (nice paradox,btw.) Have read all of your words. Was there a point other than to complain that the volunteer content-providers haven't volunteered enough to suit you? I mean I get that you feel that way, although I don't quite know why, but I don't know what else you thought this post might accomplish.

If that's not what you meant to say, you may want to rethink your approach: that's how I read it, and how some actual volunteer content providers have read it.

If you annoy Estelindis or Tarot or Henesua or anyone else who makes wonderful things (Still! After years!) to the point where you diminish their joy in creation, there are a number of terms for you that don't need your name.

This community of creators is incredible, they give us amazing work for nothing, and there's almost no modding community with the depth and longevity of this one.

Pedal your silly whining elsewhere please, or be a lot clearer and less offensive with whatever else you might be trying to say.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2014, 08:43:46 am »


               Since everyone else already did a pretty good job of burning you at the stake for your heresy, I'd just like to say that I disagree with your statement in general.

Imo, one of the greatest things about NWN is that you could create a module in pretty much every setting I can think of with all the custom content available on the vault - if you're willing to put in some work, that is. For example, while maybe not perfect, I just love D20 Modern Mod and all the possibilities it opens up. Or as another example, there is a lot of pretty cool stuff on the vault to create modules in an Asian setting (Wuxia or Samurai style), though you might have to compile a hak yourself or do at least some 2da work in this case.

Maybe you can tell us which setting(s) you're talking about and maybe then someone could point you to some stuff that might help you out with whatever you're trying to do.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2014, 09:29:49 am »


               

Nevercallmebyname wrote...

Not going to list any but, as a generic example, the ones adding races or tileset features from other settings are always miles from complete. Those haks often end up leaving out all my favourites from the setting in favour of a small handful that I don't even recognise. My problem isn't that what they did or didn't include though but that there isn't enough in the hak to make a module in that setting. This renders the hak useless until a more complete version is released.

apparently it only bothers me though because there hasn't been a new version of any of those haks since I first bought NWN1 back when it was newish. Sigh.

I do understand, it's been explained to me before, that a complete conversion is a lot of work. I don't expect anyone to make one though. All I expect is that a hak to add content from a non DND setting include enough content for me to actually play in that setting if I felt like it.

That sounds like a fair expectation right?


Got a few questions for you? Feel free to friend me and to PM me if you rather respond in private...

1. What conversion/haks are you talking about?

2. What is missing which you would need to make said content useable?

3. Bugbears - have you seen the ones by LoW or the ones by me that are in Monster Mash and Project Q?

4. Since I'm planning on redoing the bugbears again - using the Project Q orcs by Ragnarok_mr4 as a base - do YOU have any suggestions for what the final product should look like?
               
               

               


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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2014, 10:33:27 am »


               Check out the other thread Pstemarie, NCMBN's looking for the bear model but with an insectoid head, not a D&D style one

I'd aim for a more mythological version which, through sheer coincidence, will end up looking a lot like a Quaggoth
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2014, 10:51:07 am »


               

Mecheon wrote...

Check out the other thread Pstemarie, NCMBN's looking for the bear model but with an insectoid head, not a D&D style one

I'd aim for a more mythological version which, through sheer coincidence, will end up looking a lot like a Quaggoth


Thanks for the tip Mecheon. I've checked it out and nothing I'm interested in. I'm bashing together the DLA ogre with the NWN2 bugbear head. Add some armor and it'll work for me. 
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2014, 11:33:24 am »


               Ok, I've successfully turned the whole NWN community against myself so I'm really sorry for posting this. I didn't realise it would upset everyone. I defended it for a bit and still hold my position but I do now see that it is both offensive and full of holes so I'm going to go away. Let this thread sink to the abyss and then hopefully you wont be waving torches and pitchforks when I return.

And Estelindis, while I could put the moding tools on my laptop my 3Dsmax is on the desktop. you're right though. I'll get the bugbear I've already requested and then do the rest myself when I have my computer back.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Estelindis

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2014, 01:34:15 pm »


               Ah, I see.  I didn't realise that you use 3dsMax for everything.  On a system that can't handle 3dsMax, I would use GMax, which is quite an old tool with a small download size.  My oldest NWN-running computer could run it.  Even on my best computer, I have both 3d programs installed,  as I like the simplicity of GMax as well as the flexibility and power of 3dsMax.  Just a thought, in case you were itching to get back to CC work.  

For the record, a thread like this isn't nearly enough to make me stop working on custom content. It was a bit annoying, but it was just a genuine mistake based on misapprehension.  Thanks to Nevercallmebyname for apologising.  Quite happy to let it sink.  I hope that the constructive suggestions of people less peeved (or maybe just more self-restrained) than me can at least be of help.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2014, 01:52:44 pm »


               I wanted one particular head geometry from a certain game for my main character on my LAN, as I had already done a texture but had no skills with 3D art. I also had no 3DSMax. Instead of pestering Estelindis for just one head, or complaining that somehow the one head geometry I was really interested in securing somehow didn't make it in and therefore her head pack was obviously incomplete and a disappointment, I simply explained my interest in why I wanted it and asked if she would mind a quick write up as a how-to.

That is showing respect for a CC makers contributions, not dinegrating her for not converting every head in the game.

Instead, being one of the most personable individuals I've come across on here, this goddess was patient enough to make time for me from probably six time zones away, during her busy day-to-day schedule, to patiently coach me step by step over messenger from beginning to end (with screen caps, even). Had I approached her in the manner of this post, I'd likely not have had the treatment from her I did.

The point is, I would think she is characteristic of many of the CC creators that are still here, always willing to help, and their contributions should be celebrated. Adding something does not create a status of incomplete, it's (free) bonus content.

It comes down to how one frames their presentation, and your initial presentation does come off as entitled and disparaging. Making an unconstructive criticism and then treating the criticism of that as mob mentality is just extreme.
               
               

               


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Legacy_boodah83

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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2014, 02:20:20 pm »


               I don't think the dude meant to say that the negative reaction to his initial posts is just mob mentality. Plus he already apologized. I guess the public execution is off.

*disappointed puts away his 13 part DIY lynch mob party set... for now*
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2014, 02:38:35 pm »


               Perhaps there's another way to interpret "torches and pitchforks" other than the classic one?

I'm not beating anyone up; I'm just suggesting a different approach.
               
               

               


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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2014, 03:06:11 pm »


               Well, it could refer to him not wanting to bother us while we're doing farm work at night (hence the torches) upon his return...

Seriously though, I kinda thought the "torches and pitchforks" part was a little tongue in cheek, considering the rest of the post, but I might be wrong.

That said, I agree with what you said about the approach, of course.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2014, 03:11:16 pm »


               Interesting how certain peoples are stoning others for the same just expressed publicly.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2014, 03:40:17 pm »


               Well, I was actually interested in what HAKs the OP was looking at and maybe seeing if I couldn't help them out. My offer still stands, Nevercallmebyname. Friend me and we can discuss this in private without the "lynch mob" looking over our shoulders. If the project is something that interests me, I'd be more than glad to take a look.
               
               

               


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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2014, 04:39:44 pm »


               Lynch mob, lynch mob? Ha, that's no lynch mob. Now when I dared to suggest that NWNCQ by chico400 wasn't perfect on the old boards... Now that was a lynch mob ('^_^')

TR