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Legacy_Nevercallmebyname

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« on: January 26, 2014, 01:16:20 am »


               Not going to list any but, as a generic example, the ones adding races or tileset features from other settings are always miles from complete. Those haks often end up leaving out all my favourites from the setting in favour of a small handful that I don't even recognise. My problem isn't that what they did or didn't include though but that there isn't enough in the hak to make a module in that setting. This renders the hak useless until a more complete version is released.

apparently it only bothers me though because there hasn't been a new version of any of those haks since I first bought NWN1 back when it was newish. Sigh.

I do understand, it's been explained to me before, that a complete conversion is a lot of work. I don't expect anyone to make one though. All I expect is that a hak to add content from a non DND setting include enough content for me to actually play in that setting if I felt like it.

That sounds like a fair expectation right?
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Tarot Redhand

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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2014, 01:25:56 am »


               Just want to clear one thing up here. By another setting do you in fact mean another game or are you referring to other DnD/D20 Modern settings?

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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2014, 01:30:41 am »


               If you find a HAK pack inadequate you have some options:
(1) expand it yourself
(2) talk to the artist to assess their interest
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Nevercallmebyname

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2014, 01:51:46 am »


               I mean ones from other games or from tv series

I will be making a big hak in the future (my 100+ creature hak) but my desktop computer is presently packed away in a small box so I cannot access to tools to do so.

I'm thinking most of the artists I'm referring to have probably moved on to other games.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2014, 02:10:46 am »


               You realize that custom content creators are volunteers, right?  They don't owe you anything - they're not being paid, and in most cases they're not even making stuff for your use, they're just making stuff they would want to use themselves, and they then decide to share it with everyone out of the generosity of their hearts.

All custom content - literally all of it - is extra credit.  It strikes me as grossly, obscenely entitled to complain when someone gives you a free lunch because it's the wrong flavor, or there aren't enough side dishes, or whatever.

It's a free lunch.  It's a gift. Be grateful.
               
               

               


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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2014, 03:11:11 am »


               Prolly betta watch it
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Hekatoncheires

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2014, 03:19:50 am »


               There was a big hoopla years ago where many of the community's artists left because they felt unappreciated. We lost a lot when they left.

If you have constructive criticisms, just about all the half-decent cc folks here are open and welcome to hearing it. Art is time consuming, and these folks also have lives, families, and mouths to feed. None of us gets paid for any of this.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2014, 03:35:52 am »


               I can only suggest you look at a hak that has promise and is only missing a few features that you want and ask if someone can complete it. Others have brought these things up and it has opened a discussion on that particular feature and even had some CC makers jump on it and fix / add / complete it. Good luck '<img'>
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Estelindis

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2014, 05:21:34 am »


               

Nevercallmebyname wrote...

All I expect is that a hak to add content from a non DND setting include enough content for me to actually play in that setting if I felt like it.

That sounds like a fair expectation right?

No, it does not sound like a fair expectation.  Everyone makes as much or as little as they like, for fun, and that's just how it should be.

In another thread, you said to Bannor Bloodfist:

Nevercallmebyname wrote...

Instead of telling people to give up and go home, have you considered encouraging people to stick with their projects long enough to finish them?

Setting aside the fact that Bannor successfully encouraged teams of content makers for years (a fact of which you seem unaware?), an analogous question might be: "Instead of criticising what you find lacking, have you considered filling the gap yourself?"  

You mention "making" a big creature hakpak in the future, but the fact that you have, for instance, asked others to make a bugbear replacement for you makes me suspect that you mean you'll be compiling a hak of other people's work rather than making your own unique creatures.  Don't get me wrong: I have no problem with compilation haks, nor with people making requests.  In fact, I often find it enjoyable to fulfil people's CC requests.  But if you're going to leave it up to other people to do this stuff, I don't think you should expect your criticism of certain gaps to be ecstatically received.  Bear in mind that the vast majority of us who can now create original content started with no knowledge of 3d modelling.   If we can learn, why shouldn't you?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2014, 05:44:33 am »


               In my case, I find that seeing all the people getting creative with CC around here  is seriously encouraging me to go and get to grips with gmax and make a few models and tileset features that I currently so sorely need for my world/story building. IIF I'm lucky enough to find the time to get around to this, I know that if I get really stuck folks over here are more than likely to give me a hand in getting unstuck and reaching my goal.
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Legacy_Estelindis

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2014, 05:50:59 am »


               

KlatchainCoffee wrote...

IF I'm lucky enough to find the time to get around to this, I know that if I get really stuck folks over here are more than likely to give me a hand in getting unstuck and reaching my goal.
':wizard:'

You are absolutely right about that!  '<img'>  We have all been in the position of having to learn, and often had more experienced people giving us some pointers, so it's nice to be able to "pay back" that help (albeit to new CC makers rather than old ones).
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2014, 05:59:00 am »


               

Nevercallmebyname wrote...

Not going to list any but, as a generic example, the ones adding races or tileset features from other settings are always miles from complete. Those haks often end up leaving out all my favourites from the setting in favour of a small handful that I don't even recognise. My problem isn't that what they did or didn't include though but that there isn't enough in the hak to make a module in that setting. This renders the hak useless until a more complete version is released.

apparently it only bothers me though because there hasn't been a new version of any of those haks since I first bought NWN1 back when it was newish. Sigh.

I do understand, it's been explained to me before, that a complete conversion is a lot of work. I don't expect anyone to make one though. All I expect is that a hak to add content from a non DND setting include enough content for me to actually play in that setting if I felt like it.

That sounds like a fair expectation right?


Many haks disappoint me. Of course, I can just not use them, or use what they provide. I can't force their maker to finish them or add to them, and free things are almost always good.
               
               

               


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Legacy_Nevercallmebyname

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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2014, 06:06:10 am »


               

Athain wrote...

You realize that custom content creators are volunteers, right? They don't owe you anything - they're not being paid, and in most cases they're not even making stuff for your use, they're just making stuff they would want to use themselves, and they then decide to share it with everyone out of the generosity of their hearts.

All custom content - literally all of it - is extra credit.  It strikes me as grossly, obscenely entitled to complain when someone gives you a free lunch because it's the wrong flavor, or there aren't enough side dishes, or whatever.

It's a free lunch.  It's a gift. Be grateful.


ok see that's exactly what I said this WASNT about. I'm not complaining about a lack of sides or that I don't like what's on offer but that there isn't enough on offer to make a sandwich. It's incomplete and that is all that bothers me about it.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2014, 06:14:19 am »


               

Estelindis wrote...
You mention "making" a big creature hakpak in the future, but the fact that you have, for instance, asked others to make a bugbear replacement for you makes me suspect that you mean you'll be compiling a hak of other people's work rather than making your own unique creatures.  Don't get me wrong: I have no problem with compilation haks, nor with people making requests.  In fact, I often find it enjoyable to fulfil people's CC requests.  But if you're going to leave it up to other people to do this stuff, I don't think you should expect your criticism of certain gaps to be ecstatically received.  Bear in mind that the vast majority of us who can now create original content started with no knowledge of 3d modelling.   If we can learn, why shouldn't you?


I also mentioned that I don't have access to my larger computer. I have several creatures in progress on the other computer I just cant work on them at this time. That is why I asked for the bugbear replacement. It would be easier to just compile other people's creatures but I'd like to do some of the work that gets seen in game as well.

I kind of feel like only half of what I've said has been read because I'm starting to repeat myself a bit.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Hekatoncheires

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2014, 06:19:53 am »


               Incomplete is a subjective term; some tilesets lack a lot of features, sometimes because the creator designed it for a different purpose, or because of the sheer amount of work putting in new features requires is beyond the scope of time they're able to put into a project.

CC creators here -aren't- getting paid for this; they will generally do the sorts of works that speak to them, or are within their ability, or that can be completed within the timeframe they have available to work on NWN. Complaining here about it won't change any of that; it just comes off as incredibly entitled, and is an insult to creatives, diminishing the value of their time and their work.