ShaDoOoW wrote...
the same here, though Im bulding multiplayer module, still I found that while the size of CEP2 is five times bigger than CEP1, there is not even twice much content I would used. Its maabye because Im bulding an action-related module, but current CEP is also bloated with numerous themes that are unlikely to combine and numerous copies of the same content just retextured (tilesets for example - this is what I dont like the most)
CEP 2.4 seems to robbed CCreaturePack as there are the unique models from there. Maybe I judge them unfairly but in past they were doing this without permission and I dont assume that CCP gave it to them.
This turned into something longer than I intended, but here's some rambling thoughts from a certain dragon...
I think the CEP team's goal over many years has been to be as inclusive as possible when it came to combining Vault content.
- Different themes? Lots of stuff for multiple things, and players don't have to download another package if the builder uses CEP.
- Models/creatures with multiple textures? Some builders like them, and content creators made them.
- Tilesets? From what I've seen, they combined various tileset additions into single tilesets to make building easier for those that don't know how to merge things into tilesets themselves...I've checked out the CEP versions of some of the tilesets, and they're packed with features and groups, many of which I don't personally use, but they're there for others.
There's content I've made for my own haks that I haven't used yet, but it's there when I'm ready for the variety. For example, I don't use all 112 of the new mythallar crystal placeables I made, which are in the CEP. I doubt anybody else has use for all of them either, but the variety is there.
I know there's a lot of older content in CEP that could use
improvement [not-so-subtle plug], but I know that Barry_1066 has been adamant about not breaking older modules since he took over (which was with version 2.1, if I recall correctly).
As far as the CCP, I do know that the CCP team gave the CEP team permission to include all of those models (I've browsed forums around NWN for a many a year). I use modified versions of some of those creatures myself (retextured dragon turtle and dragonne come to mind), but there are still critters in there that have yet to be made/improved upon by the rest of the community.
I know they've also added some of their own work to the CEP and made changes/fixes to many models over the years. That could be where the "possessive" vibe comes from. Also, the "community" may be more an indication of what's been compiled inside rather than "who runs it". I know it's a ton of work to get stuff from different content makers to work together, let alone do some fixes...part of the reason I don't really do collaboration work or have a team of builders for my PW.
I actually use both CEP and Project Q in my PW. While not compatible out of the box (how could two such big projects spanning so many years of independant development end up compatible?), a little 2da merging (and possibly model/icon renaming) can go a long way.
So...
Yes, I think there's room for improvement when it comes to the CEP. More frequent updates, maybe with a new updater program (their old one relied on the programmer staying part of the team, so they lost access to add more content when he left. Newer content, perhaps.
Sure, CEP isn't being run how some would like, but that doesn't mean you can't make a new project that does much the same task but with different structure and non-CEP-exclusive content. Hell, I'd even give permission for some of my content (the "publicly released" stuff) to be included in a new project...said project organizers would just have to ask (and I can be bribed with honest feedback and votes).
Just come up with a completely new name, so as
to not confuse players that would mistake the CEP with CEPX3 or whatever
if a server uses one or the other or both. "Compilation Project 2013 (aka CP2013)"..."New Combo Package (NCP)"..."Prioritized Content Package (PCP)"....yeah, that last one's a joke. Whatever.
And no...I am NOT volunteering to do any work on such a project. I've got enough on my plate the way it is.
In the end, I just don't see the point of forum hostility. Barry_1066 has told me (when I set up the new CEP forum for them when their previous one was shut down), that he doesn't bother visiting these forums, since these days any post he would make seems like it has a 99% chance to end up pretty much like this one has....a "simple question about CEP" thread turned "rant against CEP" thread.
Modifié par The Amethyst Dragon, 15 février 2013 - 09:05 .
