Difference between CEP 2.3 and 2.4? And a frank discussion on CEP in general.

[Legacy_Lazarus Magni]

               Hi all,
I am having a hard time finding any information on this. Anyone know the major differences between these versions of CEP? The only things I can tell are some different mounts, and a few different creature models (like 20 or so)? Seems like there must be more to it than that for a completely different version... What am I missing?
Laz
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Lazarus Magni, 16 février 2013 - 10:08 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Wensleydale]

               There are new clothes too, and I think the palettes have been cleaned up and reorganised a bit so things are easier to find, (and some things that weren't showing up on the palette now do.) As far as I'm aware the difference isn't HUGE, but significant nevertheless.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_The Amethyst Dragon]

               I think there's more doors and placebles, too.  Oh, and a couple of scripted systems (I use a slightly modified form of their Sparky Spawner).  And I think they (CEP) started experimenting with some PLT based creatures (such as beholders and dragons) with 2.4.  It's been a long time since 2.4 came out, so I don't remember anything else in particular.

Oh, and the updater utility that came with 2.3 is no longer supported.  The guy that programmed it moved onto other things.  It only works with version 2.3...running it after updating to 2.4 will actually cause newer content to vanish as it's overwritten by older content.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par The Amethyst Dragon, 14 février 2013 - 05:44 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Master Jax]

               You should take a look at the 2da's. New additions are labeled as I recall, like CEP 2.3 whereas older content isn't. Isn't there a changelog?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Lazarus Magni]

               Oh so a few more creatures, clothes, doors, and placeables? I am having a hard time seeing a reason to advocate toward updating our mod from 2.3 to 2.4 just for that. Especially considering making a server 2.4 means people with less can't log in, where as servers with 2.3, players with 2.4 or 2.3 can still log in.

I am pretty sure sparky and asis are available in 2.3. If not some previous dev added them to our mod, but I would doubt that.

Indeed the updater breaks 2.4. Pretty sad as that was quite a nice functionality.

The latest version doesn't seem to offer much beyond what 2.3 already offers...

P.S. No... there is no change log that I have found...
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Lazarus Magni, 14 février 2013 - 06:34 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Tarot Redhand]

               So what's the difference between 2.4 and 2.4a then?

TR
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_The Amethyst Dragon]

               2.4a is 2.4.

Version 2.5 is in the works.  Just haven't read of an update in a few months.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Lazarus Magni]

               *Jaw drops*

Last I saw on there, Barry said CEP was done, finished, finito. This is encouraging news indeed.

*Looks sheepish*

My apologies Barry.

*opens mouth, and proceeds to stick foot in*
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Lazarus Magni, 14 février 2013 - 07:09 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Malagant]

               Oh, Lazarus... it's only been eight months since the last CEP blow up. Shouldn't we hold off on any commentary about them for another four?

I always took it as the current CEP team had been sitting on the project for some time without much in the way of information on progress or updates, which is fairly par for the course, and thus felt a need to shove something out there with what amounts to a 3.3.5.

I am curious... why did the community expansion pack, get taken out of the hands of the community?

It didn't, it's just that (from my own observations of their comments and reactions from them both here and elsewhere) an excessive amount of elitist mentality has seemingly overridden any community cohesion with them at some point along the road.

Seems to me expressions of criticism, no matter how constructive, give rise to an awful lot of what internet aficionados refer to as butthurt. It doesn't look as if they take any criticism all that well and it usually is responded to with an exorbitant amount of vitrol.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Malagant, 14 février 2013 - 06:42 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Malagant]

               

Lazarus Magni wrote...

Last I saw on there, Barry said CEP was done, finished, finito.

It's gone back and forth, but the most recent commentary I had seen was that they claim ownership of all within and thus when the current team is done then it will be done. Also, I recall it being said that there was [some list of five(?) things they wanted to get done] and anything outside of those [would be blown off].

My interpretations of their words (obviously), but seemingly upheld by the practice of ignoring any offers for help or contributions outside of that small list.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_3RavensMore]

               *runs for cover*  Tells me when shooting is over.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_NWN_baba yaga]

               best advice is to not count on any update, news or feedback from the cep Team. To me the chance is at 0,01 % that there will be anything done. I mean... if you wait another year maybe someone of them remember that there was a project....

oh... one thing always works to get their attention... Claim ownership of the community stuff or just take over the project '>

Fact is they denied anyone trying to breath new life into it and rather see it die!!! CEP is the ghoul of all NWN projects
               
               

               

                     Modifié par NWN_baba yaga, 14 février 2013 - 09:05 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               To the best of my kinowledge, which is limited, the CEP Team is in flux. A few people have left, a few people have joined. It takes time to get new people up to speed and even more time to recover when members depart.

Remember, the CEP Team, like every other team out there, is a team of volunteers. We should be thankful for everything they've done and offer them encouragement rather than derision. Indeed, a little encouragement goes a long way to keeping the desire to create CC alive.

As we've said so often at Project Q (about our own package), "...the update will be done when its done." :innocent:
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Pstemarie, 14 février 2013 - 09:13 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_3RavensMore]

               Fact is, nothing drives people away from a community faster than to start hurling insults and bickering.  Can we please let it go before even more people leave?  Please?  Seriously guys.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               Well said 3RavensMore.