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Legacy_Arkalezth

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« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2012, 12:49:11 am »


               That's ok. You were inactive for 7 months and didn't notice or couldn't participate, but I'm sure many people were around and could have left a comment back then (if they had anything to say). I just find frustrating the lack of feedback back then when now you kick a stone and 50 people come from below it exposing their reasons against the Nexus.

I won't go about the voting system here, but I hate it, or rather, how it degenerated. It's not that different from the Nexus' endorsements if you think about it. Judging by the votes of many people on the Vault (I'm partially responsible of this as well), an 8 or more could be considered an endorsement, while less than 7 is often considered a "bad" note by the voters.

Anyway, I believe we ranted about the votes on that other thread. I think kamal linked it on the first or second page.
               
               

               


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Legacy_Tchos

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« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2012, 01:06:49 am »


               I can't see the future either, but I can see the past, and the past tells me that nothing is safe; nothing is permanent.  Not mod sites, not filesharing sites, not torrents, not personal web sites, not "the cloud" (more or less a rebranding of filesharing).  2 years ago I started writing about Morrowind mods in my blog, as I was using them, and I scoured the sites looking for mods that were mentioned here and there.  Often I found pages and pages full of dead links because entire services and brands had disappeared.  I only used the working links I could find in my blog posts.  Now, 2 short years later, around half of those links are dead, too, because yet more personal web sites and entire mod hosts have disappeared since then.  The ones that remain working are the ones on Planet Elder Scrolls and the Nexus.  I don't even trust that these forums will stick around, after that sudden loss of the old forums in recent memory, and considering some of the wording in the recent Bioware community survey.

So to me, fretting about which sites are likely to last is pointless.  It'll all go away at some point, and there probably won't be any warning.  So if you want your stuff to last, put it in as many places as you can.

As for exposure and awards...I could mention that there's the File of the Month on the Nexus, which puts the top 5 mods each month on a permanent list, and there's the "Hot Files" list, which automatically puts the 6 most endorsed mods of the past two weeks on the front page, and there are other plans for spotlighting underdog mods...  Blah blah blah.  It's there if you want it.

PS to Ark: I appreciate your vote of confidence regarding becoming a community coordinator, but I really don't know if I could take on that kind of responsibility.  I have mods to make, games to play, forums to read, the AME to participate in, and a blog to write.  '<img'>
               
               

               


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« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2012, 02:29:13 am »


               Ark, read this thread and some of the commentary around the web. The Nexus comes across as pretty ban-happy. Personally I hold little faith in "web-word", but a lot of other people read such stories and might think twice. Ultimately, its a whole of slew of "what-if" scenarios, but many people greatly fear the "what-if".
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2012, 02:40:28 am »


               I'm not sure the NWN portion of the Nexus even has moderators. The Nexus owner has been responsive to the NWN2 community, so no reason to think he would not also be responsible to the NWN1 communities concerns.

When this came up 7 months ago when the Vault went a month without updates. Vault issues and what to do about them was crossposted to the NWN1 forums, but there were no posts from the NWN1 community other than a post from Rolo. With no NWN1 feedback at that time,  and the Nexus being the consensus choice in the nwn2 community, the nwn2 community reached out to the Nexus.

A list of links to dropbox sites kept as a sticky in these forums would have the problem of Bio turning these forums off. As we all know, fool me once....
               
               

               


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« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2012, 05:18:55 am »


               

Pstemarie wrote...
The link-list is a suggestion I proposed for a page or group of pages that allows authors to use a form to post a title, description, and link to an external cloud server where the project is hosted (i.e. dropbox, google drive, skydrive, etc.). No voting, no comments, no awards. [snip] Essentially just a backup plan until a more concrete method comes along.  Short of hosting files on a scattered collection of sites, a link-list -on the right site - might be the only way to ensure that projects get visibility.  [snip] While its true that cloud storage isn't 100% safe, its a lot more reliable with powerhouses like Google and Microsoft powering the servers.

Ah!  Glad I asked.  That's a good idea.  Even when things are ticking over as they should.  Kinda like a DVD release list is how I imagine it.  With all the services Google provides, you'd imagine there's something out there which is reasonably troll-resistant which allows cc creators of all flavors to get the word out about their content- so downloaders can find it.  X-Fire, YouTube are good ones.

Oh, and looks like some updated information was just posted on the Vault!
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #95 on: September 18, 2012, 11:26:17 am »


               

kamal_ wrote...

A list of links to dropbox sites kept as a sticky in these forums would have the problem of Bio turning these forums off. As we all know, fool me once....


A valid concern Kamal, given our past experience with the old Bioware forums. That's why I was thinking more a site like the Community Site AD created or the NWN Wiki. Both are produced by long standing members of the Community who have a deep involvement with it and don't seem to be going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

Optionally, authors can opt to do like we did with Q - create and maintain your own site and host the files there.
               
               

               


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« Reply #96 on: September 18, 2012, 04:01:46 pm »


               I have a question for the nexus experts. I've been registered about a week now, but haven't been able to find instructions on how to post a reply in the forums there. In order to post you apparently need to enter a name and copy those funny characters. Well I can't get it to work. I tried my username (i.e. the one I just logged in with) and it doesn't want to know. If what it actually wants is my personal forename it can quite frankly get stuffed. Paranoia cuts both ways.

Unless there is a lack of staff there, I think it is decidedly ott. I went there with an open mind but that is a step too far.

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« Reply #97 on: September 18, 2012, 04:11:00 pm »


               I'm not a Nexus expert, but I don't remember having any problem when I registered, not sure what you need to do. Did you try to introduce the characters again (captcha act funny sometimes)? Did you get any error message?

You definitely don't need to give any personal data or name, if that's your concern.
               
               

               


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« Reply #98 on: September 18, 2012, 04:19:54 pm »


               I don't know what you're referring to, Tarot.  I've never seen any CAPTCHA on the Nexus.  You just sign in to the forums with the same user name and password you used for the file area.

Addendum: If you're talking about this, that's for signing up for a new account.  You shouldn't be going there if you already have one.  There is CAPTCHA there (the funny characters) but I see no reference to any real name requirement.  Just user name, email, and password.
               
               

               


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« Reply #99 on: September 18, 2012, 05:06:33 pm »


               Other than the captcha to register, I've never seen one on the Nexus. Nor have I had to provide my actual name, just my account name.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #100 on: September 18, 2012, 05:20:23 pm »


               @Pstemarie: there's nothing preventing anyone from using the nwn wiki, or anything else. People can post to dropbox, or their personal site, or provide a link on the wiki. But those things do not have visibility outside the existing community. It doesnt draw in new people. It guarantees an even faster slow decline of our games.

Those things have less guarantee than a general site such as the Vault, because they are dependent on single people. We already see this in the community when you try to get Vault content that is not hosted there. Content from several large projects in the nwn2 world is gone for exactly that reason (specifically some content from Bouncy Rock)

/mobile, so quote functionality doesn't work, sorry.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #101 on: September 18, 2012, 07:08:10 pm »


               Since the current Vault post is 'ummm, things are completely borked and we're going to have to do this by hand', let me say that doesn't bode well.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #102 on: September 18, 2012, 08:03:14 pm »


               First I go to here. I sign in. I click on forums. I then click on Neverwinter Nights. From here I click on Neverwinter Nights 1 Modding/nwn1 Mod Requests. I then select the only entry in here. Finally I decide to use the full size editor. At which point I get this (screenie).

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« Reply #103 on: September 18, 2012, 08:22:37 pm »


               You're scrolled down, so I can't see if you're logged into the forum.  You need to log into the forum separately from the file area, but it's the same user name and password.  I've never seen that error screen before, but I'll see what happens if I log out of the forum, but not from the file area.

Okay, I got that error screen when I attempted to reply to the equippable wings with the full editor while not being logged into the forum.  I'm guessing that screen is designed to allow non-members to post messages on the forum by entering whatever screen name they want to use (as long as it's not already in use by a member), and doing the CAPTCHA to lower spam.

Scroll up to the "sign in" link on the upper right (or click the one I posted in my last message), and log into the forum, and all should be fine.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #104 on: September 18, 2012, 08:35:55 pm »


               You mean I have to sign in twice!!!!!!!!!!! I mean, it's just one site. Sheesh!

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