I think this needs to be discussed - While the vaults flaky...

[Legacy__six]

               Really? I knew they were cool guys but that's surprising. Maybe it is fiercely guarded after all then.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tchos]

               Well, it is second-hand information to me, so I can't vouch for its accuracy.  I haven't seen any official statement from the companies.  All I know is that's the state of things on the site.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Borden Haelven]

               Speaking for myself, I've always thought that once it's in the public domain it's fair game, provided proper creds are given. My stuff is open for all to mess about with, that's what it's there for after all.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tchos]

               Things are indeed fair game once they're in the public domain, but making something available for download is not putting it into the public domain.  The creator has to explicitly state that s/he's releasing something into the public domain.  Even Ben Harrison's mods aren't in the public domain because of the way his permission statement is worded, but he did give the NWN community very clear, open permission to do whatever they want with them, so the effect is pretty much the same for our purposes.

It's generally a good idea to put a statement in your readme file saying what kind of permission you give for your work, so there's no ambiguity, because people differ in how much they care, or don't care, how their work is used.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Tchos, 05 septembre 2012 - 08:53 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Just a ghost]

               I think it would be possible to write a php script that makes one list of all hak packs in the vault and grabs their descriptions and category and links in the Vault. I could put that in a database for you, but the links and downloads to some other spot in the cloud... that's another matter. I could make a simple form, however, where people with a password can add mirror links to the files, thus making a backup for the most popular haks.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_casadechrisso]

               I was quite surprised and disappointed that the NWN Nexus didn't draw more attention and got a lot of negative feedback here after DarkOne offered us a safe haven for our stuff. I still am after reading through some of the comments in this thread. As a player, I can't be bothered to check the horrioble projects page here (never found a single thing I was looking for), and I surely won't check every content creator's personal website or dig through this forum for days looking for dropbox links. That just doesn't work at all if you want to share with more persons than your few best friends who check your posts here every day. Also, bandwith limit, period.
The Nexus though is a place known to millions and honestly the best place for CC if you want people's attention. I've used it for a long time as a player to get my mods for Bethesda games and Dragon Age, and for most people there doesn't exist any alternative. Like the NWVault was for us here  a few years ago. But the Vault is no more, and honestly, since NWN2 with it's higher file sizes it was less and less usable for content creators (25MB limit, FTP blabla). The Nexus doesn't have those limits, and also that you have to register for downloads is new to me unless it's adult content. For creators, I think the Nexus is just great and simple to use, and it's a great place for advertising.

If you complain about copyright stuff, blame the creators who want to keep the rights to the content they created, not the filehoster. If you ignore their wish and use the files as you want, it's your fault, not theirs. And since the Nexus is a large site with millions of users who upload bazillions of mods for very popular games like Skyrim, it's understandable they take a bit more time to look at troublemakers closely than you might be used to from the Vault.
In any case, the reason the Nexus site for NWN looks so dead is because the creators didn't show much interest in it or there aren't enough of us anymore. It's again us, the NWN community who's to blame. If you ask me, yet another alternative to the vault would be a ridiculous idea, if the Nexus won't work we can as well just mail our content to each other.
Oh, and thanks for the comment about the nude hak if you meant mine... actually I'm quite proud of it and it was a lot of work, which should show in the texture quality. But no overrides, sorry - for builders only. '>
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Lightfoot8]

               To be quite honest. people who show up out of nowhere and make statements like:

In any case, the reason the Nexus site for NWN looks so dead is because the creators didn't show much interest in it or there aren't enough of us anymore. It's again us, the NWN community who's to blame. If you ask me, yet another alternative to the vault would be a ridiculous idea, if the Nexus won't work we can as well just mail our content to each other.

Makes me not want to try Nexus at all. It was about the same with the first wave of posts that where given about it. Telling people that this is really the only option, and you are idiots for not already using it, Is no way to make your case. It my not have been your intent, But this post turns me more away from the Nexus then towards it. It was about the same, for me, with that first wave of threads, made by people poping up from nowhere, made about the Nexus.

Just posting this to let you know why the offers to look at the nexus got little attention from me.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Lightfoot8, 13 septembre 2012 - 05:48 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_casadechrisso]

               I'm sorry that we haven't been long time pals before and that I'm not a CCC celebrity, but I honestly don't think I "popped out of nowhere", having been a member of the NWN boards, old and new, for years. If you think the whole idea of the Nexus is bad just because you don't know/like my posts, I really can't argue. The whole point of making those posts was that there was a long discussion about the future of the vault up at the NWN2 section and not a single NWN1 content creator replied or was aware of it. If my attempt to raise some awareness turned you off, I'm sorry, but at least I tried to do something about the whole issue instead of just sitting around naysaying.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_B_Harrison]

               For what it's worth, Casa, I couldn't agree more. I've posted a few similar sentiments, only ever from a position of bemusement rather than having any agenda - where and if NWN modders upload content doesn't concern me in the least, but I'm baffled that the entire community hasn't embraced the NWN Nexus with open arms.

I think there are probably a lot of emotions and memories where the NWVault (and its apparent decline) is concerned, which might explain a certain resistance to any potential replacement; there may also be a sense of apprehension at the thought of joining a much larger community of more diverse modders and interests.

Of course, there may well be perfectly valid reasons to avoid the Nexus site - I just haven't heard any that make any sense to me. Currently it's the only site on which I'd consider releasing my mods (incl. NWN content).
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_henesua]

               My only criticism of the Nexus site (and I am using it) is that you have to be logged in to download content. Its been a drag for my players. But all in all I don't believe its kept anyone away.

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All that to say, the Nexus is working fine for me. '> My only criticism is a minor one. (Sorry I wasn't sure if that was obvious.)
               
               

               

                     Modifié par henesua, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:41 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_B_Harrison]

               

henesua wrote...

My only criticism of the Nexus site (and I am using it) is that you have to be logged in to download content. Its been a drag for my players. But all in all I don't believe its kept anyone away.

Ah, I forgot about that - seems it only applies to files greater than 2MB in size, but that's probably the majority of files and certainly any PW hak set or the like. Minor, but still a negative.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par B_Harrison, 13 septembre 2012 - 08:20 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_henesua]

               Well I meant that as a positive. '>
The negative is so minor and it is the only practical downside to the Nexus.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               yeah, maybe this could be discussed with the nexus owner? Is the nexus owner willing to change things like this to the NWN community desire?

The main problem of vault as I see it now is that there is no support anyway, half the features is broken and we know it will never be fixed. If the nexus is willing to support this community and process our remarks, then what more do we need?

I definitely dont like this "link page" idea. The existencional issues might happen to the owner of that site more probably than to nexus anyway.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Squatting Monk]

               Another pro for using the Nexus: since it has a thriving community of modders for other games, it makes it more likely that good content released there will be noticed by non-NWN-players. Perhaps that will attract fresh, talented folks to NWN?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Just a ghost]

               Well, I think there's a very simple reason why the Vault is more popular: there are hundreds and hundreds of haks, models, modules, and whatever there.

My interest is haks, and let's be fair: The Nexus has all but nothing. When I look at the haks I see 1 or 2 hak that are unique to the Nexus (read: so new they are new and haven't been uploaded to the Vault) out of a mere 30ish haks in total. Why on Earth would I visit that site if I am looking for stuff? I have found more by looking around in this forum.

If you want to get the Nexus running you'll need a lot of content on it. Chicken and egg, I am afraid.