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Legacy_AndarianTD

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Sanctum: Pegasus Problem w/CEP 2.4
« on: April 23, 2011, 12:43:56 am »


               Since I've worked out a CEP/Q integration design for Sanctum 3, I've been thinking of going back to retro-fit the first two chapters to use it as well. They currently use CEP 2.2c, so while I was at it I thought I'd also look at updating them to use CEP 2.4. I tried installing the CEP 2.4 haks in my hak folder, and pretty quickly noticed that they seem to have messed up my ridable pegasi. I'm not quite sure why, since the Sanctum hak that contains them is well before the CEP haks in the modules' CC list, so I thought I'd post here to see if anyone had thoughts as to what might be going on and how I could fix it.

First here is the problem. Here is a ridable Pegasus with the CEP 2.2c haks installed:

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and here's the same Pegasus with the CEP 2.4a haks installed:

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CEP 2.4 seems to have introduced a pair of strange, extraneous wings onto the model. (For the record I noticed that they were familiar; I saw them recently on some of the riding mounts in Draygoth's thread here.) The ridable pegasus model is from Hardpoints, which I incorporated into the module specific hak for Sanctum 2 several years ago; see here for the history and details of how that came about.

Does anyone have an idea why this might be happening, and how I could fix it? Any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated. '<img'>

P.S. I just want to emphasize, in case anyone misunderstood, that this problem isn't just happening with the CEP/Q integrated modules. It's happening with the currently released version of Sanctum 2 as well, which doesn't use Project Q. So this is what is being seen by anyone who tries to play the currently released modules with CEP 2.4 installed.
               
               

               


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Legacy_Frith5

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Sanctum: Pegasus Problem w/CEP 2.4
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2011, 06:34:25 am »


               Is this a script issue, where some script is adding those additional wings to a model that already has wings built in, maybe? When Draygoth was asking how to 'keep wings' on the mountables, I told him about using the appropriate scripting to add the wings to the mounted model that needed them. It's possible that same script is adding wings to models with built in wings. Just a thought... does the model appearance show up with both sets of wings?

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Legacy_AndarianTD

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Sanctum: Pegasus Problem w/CEP 2.4
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 12:10:38 am »


               

Frith5 wrote...

Is this a script issue, where some script is adding those additional wings to a model that already has wings built in, maybe? When Draygoth was asking how to 'keep wings' on the mountables, I told him about using the appropriate scripting to add the wings to the mounted model that needed them. It's possible that same script is adding wings to models with built in wings. Just a thought... does the model appearance show up with both sets of wings?


Yes, the wings are being added by me via script or in the toolset -- but to a model that isn't supposed to already have wings.

I did a little more digging and I think I know what's going on. I think my confusion came partly from not clearly remembering what Hardpoints did. Looking over my haks again and the "Pegasus Node Change" hak that he provided, I realize that he didn't actually modify the underlying pegasus horse model (c_pegasus1.mdl) at all. (I must have noticed that at the time, but I guess I'd forgotten it.) His hak contains mostly phenotype changes and new models for the wings only. (What his hak does is move the wing nodes for the riding phenotype to appear on the horse body, so that if you put wings on a mounted character the result is that character riding a Pegasus.)

So logically, what CEP 2.4 must have done was to add these vestigal wings to the underlying c_pegasus1 model that I was using. It turns out that's exactly what happened. In CEP 2.2, c_pegasus1.mdl (which my ridable pegasi use) is in cep2_core0.hak, and of course it lacked these vestigal wings. It's still there and unchanged in CEP2.4, except that now another copy of c_pegasus1.mdl also exists in cep2_core6.hak -- and which does have these vestigal wings. And since core6 is supposed to come before core0 in the hak list, this new model with the vestigal wings was now overriding the one without them.

Now I have to say with all due respect that this is an astonishing failure of backward compatibility. The original pegasus model (c_pegasus1.mdl) does not have wings -- precisely because it was designed and intended to be used in conjunction with adding wings in the wing slot, via script or in the toolset. Creating a new pegasus model with these vestigal wings would have been fine, as long as it had used a new name. By overriding it with a model using the same name, however, it could not have had any other result except to break every existing module that was already using it to create pegasi as originally designed and intended.

In any event, now that I know what's going on, I should be able to fix it easily by adding the original c_pegasus.mdl (in cep_core0.hak) into my module-specific hak (ahead of the CEP haks).

EDIT: I just did that, and confirmed that it fixes the problem.
               
               

               


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Sanctum: Pegasus Problem w/CEP 2.4
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 05:30:47 pm »


               Glad you got it working. '<img'>
I posted this issue at the CEP forum, along with your results on fixing it. I believe it is a simple oversight from adding Draygoth's rideable creatures, which were derived in part from creatures already appearing in CEP and elsewhere.
Happy Easter!
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