Parts 2da ACBonus

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               Okay so I understand the normal numbers here, like 0.00 and 4.00... but why this range of what seems like randomness? Found similar in different haks.

1         0                0.00       
2         0                0.00       
3         0                0.02       
4         0                0.01       
5         0                0.07       
6         0                0.08       
7         0                0.00       
8         0                0.00       
9         0                0.05
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_OldMansBeard]

               All it does is to control the order that the parts appear in the pull-down list in the toolset.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               Ahh, thanks. So if I understand it right, anything I make into a 0.00 shows up for ALL ac types?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Calvinthesneak]

               All parts will show up in the toolset.  It just scrolls through 0.00 parts first, then 0.01, etc.

All the AC value does is tell the toolset what order parts appear in.   Of course the torso is the exception, any Whole number indicates the base AC of the piece.  So ACValue of 8.04 means that it will only show up as a full plate option.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_gutwrench66kg]

               It depends on the part you're looking for.

the only part that is AC dependent is the torso. the AC entry in parts_chest.2da determine the AC of the armor (and therefore the order of where it shows up in the toolset.)

so if I entered on line

2     0    8.01

The chest part would have an AC of 8.  It would appear AFTER all of the AC 0-7 parts, despite the model being pmh0_chest002.mdl

It would also appear after the parts labeled as having an AC of 8.00, but would appear prior to parts labeled 8.02 (or 8.10)

the remainder of the parts have ZERO effect on the AC of the item, it will simply determine the order in which they appear.

I can use an arm that's labeled as being 0.00 on "full plate" armor, and I could use an arm that's labeled as being AC 8.05 on cloth armor.

That being said, you could also enter a new value in the AC column for parts_chest.2da and invent new armor types (e.g. AC 9, AC 10, AC 255... anything higher will roll back to the value - 255... so AC 257 would create a new form of AC 2.  Would still require the heavy armor feat, and would still be recognized as a heavy armor, but would allow you to make some new toys with it.)

edit: Doh, looks like Calvin beat me to it! What he said! '>
               
               

               

                     Modifié par usagreco66kg, 27 février 2011 - 09:17 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               Thanks. Anyone know why certain armor pieces get 'stuck' to the pc and require a logout to remove?
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Jenna WSI, 27 février 2011 - 09:49 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_gutwrench66kg]

               if I remember right, I think it's due to a bad internal numbering.. e.g. the filename was renumbered, but the internal wasn't fixed.. e.g. referencing the wrong texture, and having the wrong model name.

e.g. a part was renamed from pmh0_bicepl005 to pmh0_bicepl002. The part was entered into the .2da file, but the .mdl was never opened and had the bicepl005 references renamed to bicepl002.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TheSpiritedLass]

               You two do such wonderfully detailed answers.  Have you thought about doing a simple copy/paste of all this knowledge into a tutorial?  Might save you time in the long run. '>
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               No that's the odd thing, they did have the internal numbers changed. It also has a file dependency though.

#Exported from 3ds max by MDL Plug-in Suite 1.0b
#http://www.bricksbuilder.com/nwn/utils/
#MAXMODEL ASCII
# model: pmh0_chest092t
filedependancy FullPlateArmor Fable_GOOD.max
newmodel pmh0_chest092t
setsupermodel pmh0_chest092t NULL
classification Character
setanimationscale 1.0
#MAXGEOM  ASCII
beginmodelgeom pmh0_chest092t
node dummy pmh0_chest092t
 parent NULL
endnode
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Calvinthesneak]

               I spy with my little eye a fable armour model.  If I guess right (and I probably do, since I solved this already), you are using TGA Textures for those.  That is why they stick.

A certainly lovely lady named Estelendis helped me out this past summer with textures.  So I have the textures converted to 10 layer greyscale PLT.

They are very large, but that armor is extremely detailed as well.  I'll rummage around and look for them.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Calvinthesneak]

               


               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               Thats the one! Thanks. I have the same issue with this set... don't remember where it came from.

#Exported from 3ds max by MDL Plug-in Suite 1.0b
#http://www.bricksbuilder.com/nwn/utils/
#MAXMODEL ASCII
# model: pmh0_bicepr069t
filedependancy JackOfBlades_backup2.max
newmodel pmh0_bicepr069t
setsupermodel pmh0_bicepr069t NULL
classification Character
setanimationscale 1.0
#MAXGEOM  ASCII
beginmodelgeom pmh0_bicepr069t
node dummy pmh0_bicepr069t

I'm also seeing some robes sitting down at the knees of the pc, where they shouldn't be.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Jenna WSI, 28 février 2011 - 08:50 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               I've also had a few robes/chests shrink down to what looks like halfling size, when they fit human models before... not sure what caused that.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Calvinthesneak]

               Jack of Blades is Fable stuff as well, however I never did any fixes for those ones, because in some cases there were multiple texture files and I didn't have the time to do so. I finally dropped them from any work I had due to the issues.

As for the robes it sounds like you might have applied the wrong supermodel to the robe model, but I can't be entirely certain of that.

If you would post the start of the mdl all the way down to bitmap (should only be a few more lines then what you have above).

[nwscript]
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# mdl file
#
#NWmax MODEL ASCII
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#local file: C:\\transfer\\robes\\pfa0_robe181.max
filedependancy pfa0_robe181.max
newmodel pfa0_robe181
setsupermodel pfa0_robe181 pfa0
classification Character
setanimationscale 1.0
#NWmax GEOM ASCII
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node dummy pfa0_robe181
parent NULL
endnode
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Anyhow this is one of Lisa's fancy dresses scaled for a halfling. You'll see for the supermodel, I substitued out the a_fa skirt animation and put in the default pfa0 animation. It causes some issues in animation, however it does at least look passable. What I did was edit the base case (human female) flip out the animation and then use the robe creator in 3ds/NWMax to make it usable for races that cannot use the a_fa skirt. It's not ideal, but it does work. Also by doing that, when I converted to different phenotypes, such as 8 for riding, the robe sits in approximately the right position.

Short of creating a new animation set, which is beyond my abilities, I think that is the best you can do.

Others more experienced may have better suggestions.

EDIT:  As a note you do not need the texture actually listed, the game engine will force the texture match (though it does not enforce the texture extension, thus you can have a tga in there), so it will automatically use the texture pfh0_robe181
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Calvinthesneak, 01 mars 2011 - 01:38 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               I think that solution with nwnmax is beyond my skills... the robes/torsos did fit humans but then after quite a few general hak edits, no longer do. Even though to my knowlege I didn't edit anything to change that. Here's one of them...


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classification CHARACTER
setanimationscale 1
#MAXGEOM  ASCII
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                     Modifié par Jenna WSI, 01 mars 2011 - 01:57 .