Final farewell from CTP.

[Legacy_Lord Sullivan]

               Good, but unless you insist on vB boards software, the least that Chris can do is backup the whole

database, zip it and give it to you as there are converters for the other free solutions such as phpBB3

out there. Also if there is no converter for the software you chose, there is always a way to manually

prepare a database file to inject the data into the new software. Takes a bit of work but its totally doable.



               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tarot Redhand]

               Bannor, thanks for the help you have given me (and loads of others I'd guess) in the past. I do hope that once you get everything sorted to the best you can in the circumstances, that you'll still be around these boards. As I have all the artistic ability of a plank of wood, I fear that no matter how much I value the CTP, I don't have the talent to help in that department.



Never mind the dolphins, read the cover. It says in nice big letters 'Don't Panic'.



TR
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_omen_shepperd]

               I for one am very sad to see the CTP go away. The CTP was one of the first tilesets I started using when I got into building. Thank you all for all the wonderful tilesets you made for the community. I was wondering however since I have used the CTP in building my mod for the past three years I wanted to know do I need to remove any of the haks or can we still use them to make mods?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               I can't speak for the CTP people, but, to the best of my knowledge, once a hak or nwn something is released on the vault, no author can make you stop using it. Released is released, done is done. You'll not have to remove anything from any module on account of an author leaving the nwn fold. Double check the TOS over at the vault, I doubt you'll find any clause allowing an author to demand removal of their published material. If you do find such a clause, I'd sure like to see it.





Be well. Game on.

GM_ODA
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Bannor Bloodfist]

               

ehye_khandee wrote...

I can't speak for the CTP people, but, to the best of my knowledge, once a hak or nwn something is released on the vault, no author can make you stop using it. Released is released, done is done. You'll not have to remove anything from any module on account of an author leaving the nwn fold. Double check the TOS over at the vault, I doubt you'll find any clause allowing an author to demand removal of their published material. If you do find such a clause, I'd sure like to see it.


Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

Sorry, that is NOT the case, and this debate has been argued multiple times.  The most signifigant bit is author's discretion and choice.  Artwork, regardless of location, IS 100% protected by copyright law, most especially when said artwork has been posted with rules/requests etc regarding it's usage.

This discussion does NOT belong in this thread,  Take it elsewhere.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_FunkySwerve]

               

Bannor Bloodfist wrote...

ehye_khandee wrote...
Ican't speak for the CTP people, but, to the best of my knowledge, once a hak or nwn something is released on the vault, no author can make you stop using it. Released is released, done is done. You'll not have to remove anything from any module on account of an author leaving the nwn fold. Double check the TOS over at the vault, I doubt you'll find any clause allowing an author to demand removal of their published material. If you do find such a clause, I'd sure like to see it.

Be well. Game on.

GM_ODA

Sorry, that is NOT the case, and this debate has been argued multiple times.  The most signifigant bit is author's discretion and choice.  Artwork, regardless of location, IS 100% protected by copyright law, most especially when said artwork has been posted with rules/requests etc regarding it's usage.

This discussion does NOT belong in this thread,  Take it elsewhere.

Don't debate him and THEN say the debate doesn't belong in the thread. Having your cake and eating it too much? '> The question was raised by another poster, who was showing you a great dealof courtesy.  Eye Khandee is right, by the way - copyright doesn't extend to cases of detrimental reliance unless the author contracted (via license) up front (and quite possibly not then either). That's not even touching on the limits of copyright suits imposed by the bioware EULA (no commercial damages).  And yes, I'm a licensed attorney. And yes, I know you don't want to hear it, and won't listen anyway, so I'll shut up now. '>

To omen shepard: no, now that you've invested time putting it into your module, no one can make you remove it by simple fiat, unless you agreed as much when you downloaded it, in an included license. I won't go into more detail than that.

Funky
               
               

               

                     Modifié par FunkySwerve, 03 janvier 2011 - 07:29 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Bannor Bloodfist]

               Well, I guess there is no further reason to explain why 90+% of original authors have left the NWN scene now is there?  One simple minded team wiped out all reason to contribute, since no credit is EVER given to the original author.  So, why should we bother?  I guess this does mean farewell from me as well, you creeps keep deliberately starting and RE-starting this battle all the time.  It surely is not worth contributing anything at all to folks like you.  Most of the folks demanding freedom of use, are completely incapable of creating anything on their own anyway, so have at it folks.  I hope you choke on it all.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_FunkySwerve]

               Bannor, I'm not waging any battles, I'm just preventing you from handing out bad (read: incorrect) legal advice without any legal education to back it up. Are you aware you could actually be sued for malpractice for handing out that advice if you WERE an attorney, as well as subject to sanctions by your state bar?



I'm actually quite sympathetic to CC authors, being one myself, and having had my work plagiarized in the past. I don't, however, see that as cause to play make-believe with the law.



Funky
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Estelindis]

               If anyone had looked on the CTP Vault pages, they'd have seen that CTP tilesets can still be used by whoever who wants to do so.  There is absolutely no need to remove them from your module.   '>  This answers the original question and renders elaborations on the topic irrelevant.  Peripheral issues can be taken to other threads, if folks still wish to discuss them.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Estelindis, 03 janvier 2011 - 12:54 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Bannor Bloodfist]

               Hey Funky, just what kind of attorney are you?  Are you a copyright attorney?  Thought not, so just take your own advice bud, and don't speak about stuff you have no legal experience with and no reason to even be concerned with.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tyndrel]

               Thank you to all at CTP for your years of service to this community, your relentless pursuit of the highest standards and your constant readiness to help those new to the art of modelling, this is a sad day for all we NwN diehards.  To those who have already moved on or are considering doing so may I offer my best wishes for the future no matter where it may lead you, to those who are unsure please stay, your game needs you!
               
               

               

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[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               

Bannor Bloodfist wrote...

Well, I guess there is no further reason to explain why 90+% of original authors have left the NWN scene now is there?  One simple minded team wiped out all reason to contribute, since no credit is EVER given to the original author.  So, why should we bother?  I guess this does mean farewell from me as well, you creeps keep deliberately starting and RE-starting this battle all the time.  It surely is not worth contributing anything at all to folks like you.  Most of the folks demanding freedom of use, are completely incapable of creating anything on their own anyway, so have at it folks.  I hope you choke on it all.

Creeps? Sheesh! Then you assert others don't value CONTRIBUTED work! Pshaw!

Choke on it?

Credit is given by the GOOD people. Published CONTRIBUTIONS are just that, legal limits are as FS noted above. BAD attitude on the part of persons who give and then want to take away is honestly at the root of that exodus. *waves a fond farewell*

My my my, what a FINE last impression to leave us all with.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Estelindis]

               For heavens' sake, can we please take these arguments out of the thread?  Omen's original question has been answered.  Other issues have been fought over so many times that no one's mind is going to be changed here.
               
               

               

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[Legacy_FunkySwerve]

               

Bannor Bloodfist wrote...

Hey Funky, just what kind of attorney are you?  Are you a copyright attorney?  Thought not, so just take your own advice bud, and don't speak about stuff you have no legal experience with and no reason to even be concerned with.

My practice areas include contract law, which is the controlling law here, as you would realize, given some legal education. Setting that aside, though, and assuming that I did have no experience in the field, why would it be ok for YOU to speak about 'stuff you have no legal experience with' (not being an attorney at all), but not for me? I would still have the advantage of a legal education over you, making that an extremely bizarre standard at best. Who is the one not following their own advice here? And why would you presume that I have no reason to be concerned with such issues? If anything, I have more interest than you, being both a content creator AND a practicioner in the field.

I don't really understand why this needs to get heated. I'm simply asking you not to hand out phony legal advice. When someone asks if they CAN do something, the simple solution, without making any illegitimate claims to legal expertise, is to answer the underlying moral question instead: SHOULD they?

Funky
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               Since this is a public forum I will say this and not step in this fray;



It is indeed that once you buy and make ANYTHING for use within the Toolset provided us by the game that you have no LEGAL ramifications to it.



THERE IS NO OWNERSHIP.



You can demand you get credit. You can demand someone does not use it. You can also spit in one hand and wish in the other and see what you get first.



The main thing to keep in mind is you are making this for the NWN COMMUNITY and not for any other reason. If one person enjoys your work than awesome and that in itself should be enough.