Thinking to start building a PW but not sure if to use any HAK's

[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               *smacks head on his desk and wonders "why?"*
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_SuperFly_2000]

               Why what?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

Pstemarie wrote...

*smacks head on his desk and wonders "why?"*

Pstemarie is from the Project Q and is someone who does not agree with the glut of code inside the CEP. I am not saying this thought is wrong or right. I am just pointing this out. I know for a fact the respect is had on both sides and this is more or less just a difference of veiw as Pstemarie has pointed out and is not meant to be seen as a disrespect by either team.

I happen to like CEP very much but over the years it has become more of a Great taste, less filling argument.

See here for refference;

It really is an old argument and to be honest something not worth rehashing I hope as it did drive a wedge at one point in the Community.  That is the NWN Community and not the so called named xfire guild one.

I happen to use Project Qs stuff in small modules I run for our PnP Type groups but in our PW we use CEP 2.3. Both are good and both have thier places and if somehow both could just combine themsleves into one it would be terrfic. Until then though you will see this as clearly defined lines.

Though if truth be told, people should only truly dislike the Green Bay Packers and Lebron James.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par TSMDude, 06 novembre 2010 - 05:54 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               @Superfly

Why would anyone conceive of building a PW or module for NWN without custom content when so much CC is available that takes the game to a level so far above anything that its developers originally conceived?
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Pstemarie, 06 novembre 2010 - 05:59 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_olivier leroux]

               

SuperFly_2000 wrote...
It is more because I question if the design is really that good that it compares to the default design of the game...

I guess that's what SuperFly means when he refers to most of us having a complete different view than him. There are several acceptable reasons for not using haks and of course taste differs but the perception that the default design is superior to most if not all custom content created by community members over the years is something I always find puzzling and that I can in no way relate to. Someone must have an extreme, most likely nostalgic love for the original NWN package from 2002 to not see the grandeur in the works of CODI or DLA or six and all the others. And btw, at least since patch 1.69 even the pure 'vanilla' NWN is 'tainted' by such 'inadequate' custom content And who knows what else they would have put into the game if they hadn't stopped supporting it ...
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                     Modifié par olivier leroux, 06 novembre 2010 - 05:43 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               

olivier leroux wrote...

but the perception that the default design is superior to most if not all custom content created by community members over the years is something I always find puzzling and that I can in no way relate to.

I'll second that
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               I never said you did not respect them. All I did was point out somethign you yourself said that you did not agree with the glut of code which you stated at one point a while back. I also pointed out this was not right nor wrong but just a difference of view and not one worth rehashing. It was not a argument maker and just that...a different view is all.

Thats all.

I also spoke that I respect BOTH groups equally. I assume still that you do too. And did not sya you did not. I am sorry if you felt I was saying you did not. I will edit my orginal statement to reflect that for you as I would not presume you disrespected them at all.

Not sure why you are being so defensive as all I did was point out a rationale you used a while back. I did not say it mean nor contriving. Nor am I seeking a fight.

Sorry if you took it that way but I do indeed stand by my words.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par TSMDude, 06 novembre 2010 - 06:01 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               Sorry, rough week - got the flu, makes me more touchy than normal. Been looking over your PW thread - nice work :thumbs:

Edited my previous post - sometimes its better to let things slide '>
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Pstemarie, 06 novembre 2010 - 06:00 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

Pstemarie wrote...

Sorry, rough week - got the flu, makes me more touchy than normal. Been looking over your PW thread - nice work :thumbs:

Edited my previous post - sometimes its better to let things slide '>

Thank you and no worries at all. The Internet is greta for sharing info and yet horrible for emotions. Maybe SpiritLass will make you some chicken soup or better yet, dragon soup....
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tyndrel]

               I also suffered the same sort of dilemma, though for different reasons. I actually like far too much of the CC available but, not being a tech wizard, I am not sure what is compatible with what. 

It seems that folks on opposite sides of this philosophical discussion do not seem to understand the thoughts of those on the other side of the fence, Those who support haks do not seem to comprehend the difficulties for those who do not understand these things (or that this lack of understanding even exists) while those who favour the use of a single compilation hak or no hak at all are convinced that they will not have any players if they first have to pass a series of technological hurdles.

I well remember the first time I installed a hak (a very early version of CEP) I was convinced that opening one of those "sacred" folders on my hard-drive would, at best, cause the game to never work again and may even cause the entire computer to implode causing a tear in the space time continuum. Needless to say, I'm still here and I now have many gigs worth of hak goodness on that drive but, as a builder, I am still unsure what will work with what or how to adjust things to be compatible.

My plan for my current project is a two stage world, the first (introductory and lower levels will use CEP only while planar travel will pass the player through to a second server with loads of CC treats (particularly tilesets), assuming that by then some kindly supernatural tech-savy being has explained to me slowly and in words of few syllables how to make them all play nicely together. 
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Knight_Shield]

               Ooh another content conversation...I think you all are right .LOL Put in what you like in your PW.

I for one in hind sight would of not put Cep 2.3 in mine ,but to late.I would of picked certain Haks if any instead of the bloated 2.3 .
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Estelindis]

               

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

It is going to be lots of desert....and the default desert tileset is lacking both this and that...even though the tropical tileset could be used to some extent also.

CTP Babylon.  Only desert tileset you will ever need.  Of course I'm not saying that because I worked on it... :innocent:

SuperFly_2000 wrote...
Of course I have been thinking about the Babylon many times but in the end it always boils down to a battle of if the added content is worth it....

If it's basically a desert PW, then I think there's almost no solid argument against not using Babylon (unless you've decided to use no CC at all).  The standard Bioware desert set is decent enough if a module or PW has a few desert areas, but it's insufficient for a whole world of varied areas.  (Of course, as a contributor, I am perhaps more aware of the level of variety that Babylon offers than the average person.  When a lot of people test out custom tilesets, they go straight for features and groups - but you need to check out all the terrains and crossers to get a full appreciation of Babylon's flexibility and variety.)

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

Questionmark on the KOTOR heads...will they be in [the CEP]?

The CEP team has my full permission to include the heads (just like anyone else; all my content is open-use), but have decided not to use them on copyright grounds.  (What with the heads being conversions from games published by LucasArts and all, if I'm ever asked to pull them from the Vault I'd like everyone who's redistributed them to do the same.  Of course, the CEP already does have Taina's Bastila head, so I don't know if they intend to take that out or not...)
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Estelindis, 12 novembre 2010 - 08:28 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_olivier leroux]

               

Estelindis wrote...
Of course, the CEP already does have Taina's Bastila head, so I don't know if they intend to take that out or not...

Noooo!

Hush! Move on, people, there's nothing to see here!
               
               

               

                     Modifié par olivier leroux, 13 novembre 2010 - 04:18 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Estelindis]

               Sorry, I didn't mean to cause alarm.  I don't actually think they should take it out.  :-)  I wouldn't have worked on such conversions myself if I didn't want people to use them, and I imagine Taina feels the same way.  In general, I choose to believe that our modding of an old game falls well beneath the gaze of such luminaries as LucasArts!  My personal disclaimer is made more to show respect for their rights (and Bioware's and Obsidian's) than out of a belief they will ever make it necessary to pull the heads from the Vault.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy__six]

               *coughs* half of NWN2 *coughs*