Is this game still worth playing?

[Legacy_Elhanan]

               

Confirmed. Kind of. I have played piano since I was 6 years old and I have no problems memorizing music. What actually surprised me is MM's statement that he wouldn't recognize all of NWN's soundtrack despite having played this game for a long time.

Not surprising; also tend to notice and recall tracks that are annoying and irritating, such as a certain tavern selection, or having some Techno music play over the radio in my Normandy cabin. A great soundtrack augments the game, and can be pleasantly be enjoyed without becoming engrossed in it by itself.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MayCaesar]

               

Confirmed. Kind of. I have played piano since I was 6 years old and I have no problems memorizing music. What actually surprised me is MM's statement that he wouldn't recognize all of NWN's soundtrack despite having played this game for a long time.

 

It surprised me a bit too. I've seen so many people without any musical knowledge or experience humming songs they've heard somewhere, in perfect tonality, rhythm, lyrics. Of course, my observations are biased in that there is no way to tell if someone is unable to do it, but it is easy to tell if someone can do it. Still, I thought everyone could, at least, remember some parts of the songs they hear multiple times automatically.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MagicalMaster]

               

I don't think I will be mistaken if I say that every single person that has played some (tonal) musical instrument for more than, say, a couple of years, is able to memorize any 5 minutes long song after hearing it for a few times.

I played the piano, violin, and/or alto saxophone for over nine consecutive years (perhaps more).

Never understood the complaints. But I understood long time ago one thing: trust your opinion more than anyone else's. If a million people say the ending is bad, and I liked it, then it is good for me.

Of course, going with your logic, I can completely dismiss your opinion as well '>

Me, I'd be at least curious as to why so many people felt so strongly in a manner contrary to my opinion -- especially when those people are dedicated fans who would normally be promoting/defending the game.

What actually surprised me is MM's statement that he wouldn't recognize all of NWN's soundtrack despite having played this game for a long time.

You do realize there's over 80 songs, without even counting the premium module tracks? If you played Tavern track #6 or Rural music #4 (note: I'm just making those numbers/names up to illustrate my point, I may actually recognize those specific songs) I'm not confident I'd be able to place it. Then throw in custom music for mods/PWs to keep straight and, of course, all the music from other games.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MayCaesar]

               

I played the piano, violin, and/or alto saxophone for over nine consecutive years (perhaps more).

 

Hmm... This is really surprising to me. I thought memorizing songs one hears becomes natural after some musical experience. Perhaps I was wrong. Still, the fact that you won't recognize some of the songs seems strange to me.

 

Although your answer to Grani's comment gives me impression that we are talking about different things. If you play some track from Neverwinter Nights, of course I won't be able to say what it is called (especially since I don't know the titles of most of them), and for most I probably won't be able to say where exactly I heard them. Also, if you ask me what game I heard a certain track in, I might sometimes be taken aback, if that particular track didn't impress me and I didn't really care about it (at least, if last time I heard it was many years ago). But if someone plays a track and I've heard it before more than a couple of times, I will immediately be able to say, "I know this song", and I will, in almost every case, be able to recall it in high detail.

 

 

Of course, going with your logic, I can completely dismiss your opinion as well '>


Me, I'd be at least curious as to why so many people felt so strongly in a manner contrary to my opinion -- especially when those people are dedicated fans who would normally be promoting/defending the game.

 

Of course you can, and you will be right to do so. You have no reason to like the ending just because I liked it. Different people like different things. If someone likes cabbage, and I hate it with disgust, then, even if that guy will find 2 more billion people signing a paper in which they state that cabbage is awesome, it won't make me like cabbage, right?

 

I am not interested in the slightest why someone would dislike something I like. Why should I purposefully read something negative about something I like? It is like, I don't know, loving your girlfriend and asking your friends to write an essay on what they dislike in her. Someone might be a fan of it, but that someone isn't me.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MagicalMaster]

               

But if someone plays a track and I've heard it before more than a couple of times, I will immediately be able to say, "I know this song", and I will, in almost every case, be able to recall it in high detail.

That I can generally do.

Of course you can, and you will be right to do so. You have no reason to like the ending just because I liked it. Different people like different things.

You were acting intelligent up until now, are you suddenly going to reverse that trend? That goes doubly given your knowledge/experience with analyzing music -- just like your music, there's more involved than simply liking or disliking something like ME3's ending. It's not a matter of chocolate vs vanilla preference that has no logical reasoning involved. If Return of the Jedi ended with the Emperor revealing he was really Yoda all along, the whole thing was a test for Luke, and everyone lived happily ever after would you claim that anyone upset at the ending was solely acting on "different people like different things?"

By your logic if ME3 booted up, showed a picture of Commander Shepard, and then said "The End" before running the credits no one could complain because different people like different things. Maybe it's just really ahead of its time!
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MayCaesar]

               

You were acting intelligent up until now, are you suddenly going to reverse that trend? That goes doubly given your knowledge/experience with analyzing music -- just like your music, there's more involved than simply liking or disliking something like ME3's ending. It's not a matter of chocolate vs vanilla preference that has no logical reasoning involved. If Return of the Jedi ended with the Emperor revealing he was really Yoda all along, the whole thing was a test for Luke, and everyone lived happily ever after would you claim that anyone upset at the ending was solely acting on "different people like different things?"


By your logic if ME3 booted up, showed a picture of Commander Shepard, and then said "The End" before running the credits no one could complain because different people like different things. Maybe it's just really ahead of its time!

 

If you are going to twist my words like this, then I am not going to continue this discussion. It is pointless.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MagicalMaster]

               

If you are going to twist my words like this, then I am not going to continue this discussion. It is pointless.

You said, exact quote:

"You have no reason to like the ending just because I liked it. Different people like different things. If someone likes cabbage, and I hate it with disgust, then, even if that guy will find 2 more billion people signing a paper in which they state that cabbage is awesome, it won't make me like cabbage, right?"

There's no logical reason for liking or not liking cabbage -- it literally is a matter of taste. Same thing as preferring vanilla or chocolate.

You're then stating that this is analogous to liking or not liking the ME3 ending -- that it is solely a matter of taste. You either like it or you don't, there's no actual reasoning behind it.

How am I twisting your words?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MayCaesar]

               

You said, exact quote:


"You have no reason to like the ending just because I liked it. Different people like different things. If someone likes cabbage, and I hate it with disgust, then, even if that guy will find 2 more billion people signing a paper in which they state that cabbage is awesome, it won't make me like cabbage, right?"


There's no logical reason for liking or not liking cabbage -- it literally is a matter of taste. Same thing as preferring vanilla or chocolate.


You're then stating that this is analogous to liking or not liking the ME3 ending -- that it is solely a matter of taste. You either like it or you don't, there's no actual reasoning behind it.


How am I twisting your words?

 

There is a logical reason for liking or disliking everything. You like cabbage when eating it causes chemical reactions in your body associated with positive feelings, and you dislike it when it is otherwise. I never said there wasn't any reasoning to liking or disliking something. But people are different, and reasoning is different for everyone. Different people get positive/negative emotions out of different things. I don't care why some people disliked Mass Effect 3 ending, this information means nothing to me. I did try to understand the reason a few people did, close friends, but I never managed to do it, since their impressions differ too much from mine, and I just couldn't relate to anything they said. Just like with cabbage, someone trying to explain what they like about cabbage won't click with me, since I won't be able to relate to that.

 

This is a thread about Neverwinter Nights, not ME3 ending. And I'm tired of this discussion, it is not going anywhere. If you want me to agree that people hated ME3 for some compelling reasons, then you don't need to waste your time, as I agree with this already. But what those compelling reasons are, I couldn't care less, to be honest.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MagicalMaster]

               

There is a logical reason for liking or disliking everything.

 

You're conflating two senses of the word "logical."

 

You're using it in terms of "an unconscious decision that you have no control over but can be explained by science."

 

I'm using it in terms of "a conscious decision made after evaluating arguments."

 

It's why you can logically determine one idea is better than a second *even if emotionally you like the second idea more* (hence the whole "paradox" you can have where you're doing something you know is right but feels wrong, not referring to ME3 with that).

 

And not everyone who wound up hating ME3's ending did so initially.  Many either liked or were ambivalent about it initially (including me)...until they gave the matter more thought and their *conscious* processes wound up changing their *unconscious* state.

 

If you want me to agree that people hated ME3 for some compelling reasons, then you don't need to waste your time, as I agree with this already. But what those compelling reasons are, I couldn't care less, to be honest.

 

I was primarily looking for you to agree that they even *had* reasons, whether or not you find them compelling at all.  You came across as saying "Well, if I liked ME3's ending and someone else didn't, that's like me liking vanilla and them liking chocolate.  Purely a matter of taste with no real rationale"...which also implies you think people being very vocal about ME3's ending are complete idiots.  Not for disliking the ending (matter of taste), but for even thinking about making a case why the ending was bad (I can assure you that I have never thought of trying to convince someone why chocolate is better than vanilla).

 

On a *personal* level, I find your lack of interest in what even *you* think might be compelling reasons extremely disturbing and somewhat frightening/disappointing, but that's another matter.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MayCaesar]

               

Discussing this any more doesn't make sense, when you keep butchering my words. Farewell.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MagicalMaster]

               

Believe what you wish, as you already clearly do.  Good day.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_icywind1980]

               

Oh my god. Would you droll ass-monkeys just let it go already?

               
               

               
            

[Baaleos]

               

In short - Yes, the game is worth playing... 

The game gives us a reason to come on the forum and lol at the arguments.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ShinsFortress]

               

The game is good, but the lack of additional activity (e.g MP server lists that I don't need to mess about with 3rd parties for) mean I don't play NWN anymore.  But is is good fun.

 

"OKI DOKI!"

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_icywind1980]

               

The game is good, but the lack of additional activity (e.g MP server lists that I don't need to mess about with 3rd parties for) mean I don't play NWN anymore.  But is is good fun.

 

"OKI DOKI!"

 

It's a website, which is of course a 3rd party. But you don't need any plug-ins to view it. Just make sure you switch the tab to display nwn1 servers, because it defaults to nwn2.

 

http://www.nwnlist.com