Lazarus Magni wrote...
OK... I gave you a chance to save face and live and let die, but you just could not let it go, so let's get real and really break this down....
I'm touched you're concerned about my welfare and have held back until now. It's always nice to know someone else has been keeping the kid gloves on because they think you can't handle the truth.
Lazarus Magni wrote...
You, like us nwn'ers have spent countless hours invested in a game you love. We can all relate to that. But you, unlike us nwn'ers have also invested over 1.7k$ to play your game over the last 8+ years...
Ok... purely as a player... god damn... if that isn't a bunch of crap, I don't know what is... but again that’s my opinion…
There's a few amusing things here.
First, you apparently think I don't play NWN.
Second, I've actually paid closer to $1,100 over six years, but I suppose that has less bearing on your point.
Third, you've paid hosting hosts and spent time developing your PW. I mean, if we look at this
NWN hosting site they charge something like $45 a month for a server that can have 30 players logged in at a time. If I were to buy a new computer to host I'd still be spending a few hundred dollars at a minimum. Plus invested a ton of time to make the content itself.
Fourth, you're looking at this from the perspective of "I bought NWN ten years ago and I've been able to play for "free" ever since! Who needs other games?" This may sound shocking, but many people don't play one game for ten years. In fact, there are even people who will go out and spend $60 on a new game every month or two. Which, assuming two months between new games, would be twice as much as paying for WoW. WoW has a whole subset of games within it: leveling, battlegrounds, dungeons, arenas, rated battlegrounds, challenge modes, scenarios, achievements, and (what I focus on) raiding.
I mean, from your perspective, it sounds like you think people who bought Starcraft II were complete idiots. Why pay for an updated version of the same game, right? The old one works just fine and has a toolset to do all sorts of custom stuff!
Finally, saying "Ok... purely as a player... god damn... if that isn't a bunch of crap, I don't know what is"
doesn't explain why you think it's a bunch of crap. You need to give an actual reason. Maybe you can get a sandwich for free from your job's cafe or go out and buy one for $5. It seems that you'd say someone would be an idiot to go out and buy one if they can get one for free, even if they prefer the second sandwich enough to pay for it.
Lazarus Magni wrote...
You have the right to your opinion... but no my friend you don't have the right to try to impose it on others. State it, let it be known, and let everyone else make up their own minds. Simply getting in the last word doesn't mean winning an argument, nor does it confer legitimacy to your point of view.
I went ahead and hacked your bank account and *forced* you to subscribe to WoW...and every other P2P MMO out there! I am imposing my opinion on you and soon I will impose it on the world!
Or maybe this is an internet forum for discussion and you should stop making stupid remarks like claiming I'm "imposing" my opinion on others.
Lazarus Magni wrote...
Again you are throwing out a bunch of numbers as if you worked for one of these companies... I am merely a player who would like to see a company have a legit reason for putting out a game I would like to play.
No, I constructed a hypothetical situation based upon some information I found in about five minutes of searching the web. And you never answered my question about the different payment options and whether any were a scam. Why did you avoid it?
And also no, you're not "merely a player who blah blah." You didn't make a thread saying "Man, I wish they made a game like this said." You set up a thread to try to mock people who play games such as WoW, called them idiots, and claimed they were being scammed. If you're not willing to defend and justify your opinion on those statements, then you should never have made them.
Urk wrote...
Has it even occured to you that maybe it's just butt friggen' stupid to spend $50 million making a video game
that's expected to sell a million units?
If the game is good enough that enough people are willing to pay enough money for it to make a profit, why is it so stupid?
Financed and released by Warner Bros., with 25% of the budget covered by Legendary Pictures, "The Dark Knight Rises" cost between $250 million and $300 million to produce. However tax credits brought that total closer to $230 million, said people familiar with the movie's economics but not authorized to discuss them publicly.
By comparison, $50 million is a drop in the bucket.
pope_leo wrote...
There's an interesting blog post over on a The Secret World fansite about the economics of MMOs, it has some data (and links to more): wordpress.tswguides.com/the-death-of-the-subscription-mmo/ Worth a read for those interested in the topic.
Yeah, that is an interesting article. And I'd like to draw attention to this section of it (from near the beginning):
"With that established, I’d like to place this into my own personal context. I started playing subscription MMO’s with Everquest back in the summer of 1999. Since that time I have maintained a subscription to an MMO (and on rare occasions, two) ever since. That’s roughly 150 months of concurrent subscriptions and I’m content with the purchases."
And also
"I’m a fan of subscription MMO’s, hopefully I made that clear at the opening."
From later on.
Lazarus Magni wrote...
That is an interesting post indeed. Notice no mention of NWN 1, but hey... Interesting and relevant to this discussion none the less.
Why would it mention NWN? It was never billed as an MMO and PWs were never intended by Bioware. So is it really surprising that basically no one knows or cares about it outside of the remaining community?
Modifié par MagicalMaster, 22 août 2012 - 05:41 .
