The Death of NWN???!!!!

[Legacy_Leurnid]

               

PlasmaJohn wrote...

Leurnid wrote...

IMO, the only thing that stands a chance at dealing another crushing blow to NWN is Neverwinter, which is barely a blip on the radar, ...

Neverwinter Online is fundamentally an MMO and I'd be really surprised if their so-called toolset has the flexibility of Second Life.  You certainly won't have the freedom to create things of a mature nature due to Hasbro's biases (Cartoon Evil or get the heck out).  So no, nothing with Hasbro's fingers in it has any chance of impacting the NWN community.

NWN serves a particular niche that no centrally controlled MMO nor fixed campaign setting game can.  There's a need for an engine and toolset (or toolchain) that allows non-experts to create but also one that doesn't get in the way when used by an expert.  NWN2 failed at both of those.

The product that will have the biggest impact on NWN will be the one that serves those needs without lock-in or tied to any sort of mothership.

I agree with you for the most part, but Hasbro, by agreement, has been hands-off the products that WoTC makes (when Hassbro aquired WoTC, part of the contract was for that seperation), and isn't exerting influence here, IMO. If you have some official eviidence to the contrary though, I will gladly review it and change my opinion accordingly.

What is probably the biggest infuencer for creating vanilla, cartoon evil environments, is the quest for 'T for Teen' MMO experiences. If a game gets an M rating, Walmart and many of the other big-box stores won't carry it. Furthermore, the biggest pool of disposable incomes are in the 14-24 demographic, and that is also the bracket that is most likely to casually buy or influence the purchase of games.

So that aside, I agree, Neverwinter Online is probably no threat. I somehow doubt that the toolset will allow for community created content. Based on the few screen caps of the Foundry, it looks like more of a level editor than anything.  Hardly worth the purchase.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Urk]

               

PlasmaJohn wrote...

Leurnid wrote...

IMO, the only thing that stands a chance at dealing another crushing blow to NWN is Neverwinter, which is barely a blip on the radar, ...

Neverwinter Online is fundamentally an MMO and I'd be really surprised if their so-called toolset has the flexibility of Second Life.  You certainly won't have the freedom to create things of a mature nature due to Hasbro's biases (Cartoon Evil or get the heck out).  So no, nothing with Hasbro's fingers in it has any chance of impacting the NWN community.

NWN serves a particular niche that no centrally controlled MMO nor fixed campaign setting game can.  There's a need for an engine and toolset (or toolchain) that allows non-experts to create but also one that doesn't get in the way when used by an expert.  NWN2 failed at both of those.

The product that will have the biggest impact on NWN will be the one that serves those needs without lock-in or tied to any sort of mothership.

Neverwinter is a joke. I've familiarized myself with the foundry in Star Trek Online. It's AWFUL. It's way too dumbed down and limited to have a meaningful impact on the builders in this community. I could elaborate but  there are SO many problems with the foundry it would take the entire day to write it all down, and that's a wall of text I don't particularly want to write.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               I dont undestand this hype about d3. I ve played d2 at BN a lot before and met many peoples who ended with words "Im quiting, will wait for d3 release". Never understood what these peoples expect from d3 to be different. D2 is mindless click-ass rpg that is so easy and stupid that a bot is able to play it. I was there last year when new patch and reset was announced and it took i think five days to first bot reached lvl 99. Boting, spaming, Ive ended up absolutely disgusted. And I don t understand how is d3 supposed to be different? Except blizzard might actually care about boters/hackers for first few years?

D3 will definitely drag  attetion of d2 and d1 players (these two predecesors have several times higher player base than nwn btw) and definitely disappointed players from WoW. As a new game it finds out many new players, and from this community maybe those folks who plays at d2-like server will try it, but rest of the nwn community doesnt care I think.

Though I bet that Guile is already playing d3 '>
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Leurnid]

               I have a free D3 DL waiting for me.  It's going to be waiting a very long time... I have no interest in it.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_henesua]

               If I had D3 on my hard drive, I'd give it a whirl. But I don't really have the time. Barely have time for building in NWN.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Noldorsteel]

               I used to like old Blizzard games more, the new ones...well not that much. If a Blizzard game can make me stop playing neverwinter 1 & 2 (at least for siome months) that is Heart of the Swarm. But no Diablo or WoW's  next sequel. Never likied those never will.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_OldTimeRadio]

               Ahem!  Not so dead, apparently.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par OldTimeRadio, 24 mai 2012 - 10:12 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Jez_fr]

               A game is dead when you stop playing it. Why do you care if there's a billion player or a dozen. Do you need that hard to be a lemming part of a group?
WoW has millions of players since ages. So what. MacDonalds has millions of customers too, I still prefer my local fine restaurant.

'nuff said.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Lord Sullivan]

               I don't understand, when I click on the NWN icon on my desktop, NWN still starts up and run... so no, it's not dead '>
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               I saw this in a movie once. It's only faking. Stay back....

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[Legacy_QlippothVI]

               I come back annually to tinker in the toolset. I say that looking at the last time I updated a module I play with (Harvest of Souls), and the date is a few days short of last week, when I started planning a new release. Deva isn't working on it anymore and I'm trying to learn programming.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

OldTimeRadio wrote...

Ahem!  Not so dead, apparently.

only 1000players on whole world, thats really almost dead actually, even pokemon online has more players :/.

Also Diablo2 has thousands more players, althought its absolutely dumb clickfest only.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Rubies]

               Does that not count the servers and players not listed Gamespy? Just curious. '>

And 1000 players is nowhere near dead - games like Diablo will always have more players due to being more accessible, but not quite the same community, and that's probably the best thing about NWN (well, leaving aside its mod scene and diversity of servers, of course). Same with a ton of other games that are getting on in age --  Battlezone even has one of its developers still updating it occasionally! :3
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Rubies, 02 juin 2012 - 03:49 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Leurnid]

               I thought this thread died already
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ehye_khandee]

               it is only faking I tell you - do NOT get close to it!!!

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