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Legacy_henesua

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« Reply #90 on: April 15, 2015, 03:22:30 am »


               

For full transparency I sent the following to Ehye to get him to respond to this thread:

 

 


Ehye,

its time to transfer the http://neverwinterconnections.com/URL registration to someone else in the community who is capable of doing the job. You've worked on it for years and failed to deliver. The URL is valuable to the community, and while it was admirable of you to try to save the site, it didn't work out. Kindly hand over the URL to someone else so that we can make use of it.


We don't need the data, or the code. Although the legacy data would be nice as well. All we need is the URL.


Since you have not been replying to your thread n this subject I came here to get your attention.

http://forum.bioware...scom-is-moving/


Please respond there and show some good faith.

thanks

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« Reply #91 on: April 15, 2015, 09:13:20 am »


               

Just remember that the URL is his property - he likely paid about $9.99 for it, so in all seriousness - he could just decline just 'cuz'.


Might be wise to assume the worst, but hope for the best. (contingencies?)


 


Any replacement site can still be developed without the need for the domain name.


Domain name just makes it more public and accessible - but during a development phase - we don't necessarily want that.


 


Anything I make now days - I tend to make accessible via API, but I tend to use use JSON over soap.


Not sure how accessible that will be from a php site.



               
               

               
            

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« Reply #92 on: April 15, 2015, 04:43:26 pm »


               

While having access to the "neverwinterconnection.com" URL would be nice, not having it is not that big of a loss either. We can easily relink to whatever URLs desired when updating links on Wiki pages, GoG, Steam, Candlekeep, other Community Members websites and forums and here. In fact, I think the current URL is detrimental as anyone trying it finds a broken page that reflects badly on the game and community and leads too many folk to write off NWN as long dead.


 


Whether or not the old name is used is fairly moot at this point too I think. It'll all depend on how well a replacement works firstly, and secondly, how well we advertise it as a replacement service.


 


Visit peanutgrenade.com - The Premier Site for Neverwinter Nights Players


to find Tournaments, DM Events and Small Group Outings as well as Information on Persistent Worlds you can join.


 


Of course, that's just an example, don't bother looking for it. '<img'> Really though, the old URL's value has substantially decreased in value over the years and a fresh start isn't much of a setback.



               
               

               
            

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« Reply #93 on: April 15, 2015, 05:00:09 pm »


               

I am extending an olive branch to Ehye. This is Ehye's chance to show good faith, and to continue helping the cause. If I was him I would be happy to turn the whole thing over. Unfinished projects weigh on me, and he's had the project for three years. At this point I suspect it would be a relief to be free of that burden.


 


And no, getting the URL is not a requirement. We'll proceed anyway. But there is history there, and it is a very recognizable name. I see value in that, and if we can retrieve it we should.



               
               

               
            

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« Reply #94 on: April 15, 2015, 09:49:42 pm »


               

I just started messing around with Visual Studio and got the following made in like 30 minutes.


 


http://connect.asmodei.net/    (Just example URL - Can be relocated later)


 


It borrows some effects from AetherKnights.com  -  another Site I made for my Free Company on Final Fantasy XIV


 


The site hasnt got login capabilities coded yet - focusing on look and feel at the moment - Code is easy to do.



               
               

               
            

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« Reply #95 on: April 15, 2015, 09:55:12 pm »


               

Looks like a good start.



               
               

               
            

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« Reply #96 on: April 16, 2015, 03:53:31 am »


               

Cool beans, Baaleos.


 


I will be able a little late to this party, but I am coming. I am in the middle of a career shift back to tech after 15 years, and just put in notice at my non-tech job. I will be out of there in four weeks. A project like this will be fun and I look forward to it.


 


My plan is to improve the interface of the calendar at the neverwinter vault, and then after that extend its functionality. I currently have no idea how any of those systems work, but we should be able to make it work. I'll start on that in the second half of May. Yeah, thats far out, but thats the best I can do.



               
               

               
            

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« Reply #97 on: April 16, 2015, 04:29:55 pm »


               


Please see our new post for further discussion of the art needs of neverwinterconnections.com in this forum and board at:

aldohral.forumotion.com/t1450-neverwinterconnectionscom-art-help-needed#6394


If you join in on that thread, please stay on topic lest we summon the board ':police:'



NEVERWINTERCONNECTIONS.COM is awaiting only art for the 'robo-foil' system. PLEASE HELP.


Be well. Game on.

GM_ODA

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It gets to where a fellow cannot take a trip to go visit his octogenarian parents without half the unemployed jesters of the kingdom descending like jackals upon his unguarded reputation.


Please note that NONE of my detractors here chose to use any private communications until the end there, that one snarky message they chose to share in forum too. The choice of public sniping instead of polite private dialog is indicative of the intent; which is to attack.


A reasonable person asks for a LINK. Instead this wave of attacks on my work open with suggestions I should forward the URL, and jump right up to I should give you the DOMAIN.


Notice how they all ignored the two plus year old request for help with some required art pieces. Ignored the help request for two plus years.


Hensua, I am a curious fellow and must ask, who died and made you 'the community'? Helpful people help, unhelpful people do what you do.


Ever read the comic strip 'Dilbert'? RL is very much like that, full of people with a thimble full of lore and a bucket full of loud opinions. I worked for a number of them in my day, and they'd insist on things like 'deadlines' and 'features' and 'methods' with one major difference between they and you (posters bashing me in this thread), those others actually PAID me for my work. You are freeloaders in that for a fact you do not pay me, and pushy ones at that to make such grand demands.


neverwinterconnections.com is DONE, neverwinterconnections has been done since noted in that post here dated more than TWO YEARS AGO. At that time we (programmers) asked for some help from the community and 'the community' did not comply. In the face of such apathy on the part of the community, knowing it would be a lot like suggesting 'recreational dentistry' to even get the operational funding needed to host the thing, we chose to let the community have what it gave us to work with, which would be NOTHING.


Put down your thimbles, put down your buckets. I don't answer to you. I don't have to explain myself to you, most of what I'd tell you would be meaningless to you. I won't waste time trying to teach pigs to sing.


NICE people, we treat them nicely. Pascalbrax is one such nice fellow, the operator of


http://iscandar.ch


When he came to us last year and POLITELY put the question to us (Eriniel and I) as to why we did not comply with his system's requirements so our server could be listed on his (fine) service. We explained why and Pascalbrax understood. More, we explained, with code supplied, how to make his system work with all those NWN servers running with no changes from standard install on NWN. Thus, we enabled Pascalbrax to expand the support he offers to the whole community. Don't take my word for it (you never do), but look at the site linked above and see the note on the front page that reads "2014.11.24 Iscandar can now also scan GameSpy-disabled servers (thanks Eriniel & GM_ODA from Aldohral server)."


Yea, that 'app' you talked about making in this thread a few messages back. We did that already, for neverwinterconnections.com, its done and just sitting there. Because some in the community won't stop being a bunch of carping magpies and actually HELP when help is asked, it has been sitting there unused and unavailable for two years.


All I get in this forum is often a lot of bashing, negativity and outright vitriol.


Soup will be soup when it is soup. Get out of my kitchen and stop asking stupid questions.


Does it bother you that my server is in beta? Good. I am ENJOYING building it, enjoying layering in beautiful systems that work to enhance RP most of which can be found nowhere else. Why do we release so little of our scripted systems back to the community? Well, actually, we have released quite a bit (seasonal fruiting plants, size-screening alternate transitions,etc.), but that goes un-noted by the producers of the feedback we see here in this thread, and well, I don't feed carping magpies. When I am dead, Eriniel might release some or all of the work we have created to the public, I'll leave that to her either way, but to be certain, she is not in general favorably impressed with carping.


Want to see neverwinterconnections.com online? It requires art and it requires a server to host (a full server, not some craptastic shared hosting amateur level drech). I had recently (just in the last three months) among my own server's playerbase secured a pledge of funds to get such a machine started. With but a meager budget Eriniel and I began searching for the right server and contract arrangements, but do so knowing 'the community ' must bear the costs through donations in the future and frankly it is as disheartening to consider the dearth of support from the community as it is to look across the land of Mordor and know your destination is Mount Doom. We received no support from 'the community' here when we asked for help. The silence of the response was overwhelming.


Now this, friendly approach from 'the community'? Eh, I am leaning toward investing NO more time in neverwinterconnections.com having read this. We have been working diligently on zero budget since NWC closed. What have you been doing?


I had toyed with the idea of contacting my old friend Larry Elmore to do a deal to get some art to fill the need, still, even as a old friend there would be some money that passes hands. Ultimately I was at loathe to even discuss the matter since I had no base budget from which to work, anything negotiated would then have to be brought back to 'the community' whose response has been modest and never what was requested. Honestly, I think instead I'll hold that favor I would ask of Larry for a time when I need it and it would be used by those kindly and deserving. As evidenced in this thread, that would seem to exclude this group. I am presently looking at other game engines and may call in that favor for some fine looking art to go with the debut of whatever I craft next. If you are all jets firing to build a replacement for neverwinterconnections.com, that's OK, I can re-purpose my secure custom forum and game scheduling system to work with that new project.


By all means, go build your own site and your own app and know that I won't presume to tell you how to do it. I truly hope the whole community gets behind you on this, and by some crazy fluke of the universe the dark entities that grow daily in sophistication and number somehow overlook your effort, because historically they have pwnd the community, THIS COMMUNITY, again and again.


Best wishes.


               
               

               
            

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« Reply #98 on: April 16, 2015, 06:53:03 pm »


               


Want to see neverwinterconnections.com online? It requires art and it requires a server to host (a full server, not some craptastic shared hosting amateur level drech). I had recently (just in the last three months) among my own server's playerbase secured a pledge of funds to get such a machine started. With but a meager budget Eriniel and I began searching for the right server and contract arrangements, but do so knowing 'the community ' must bear the costs through donations in the future and frankly it is as disheartening to consider the dearth of support from the community as it is to look across the land of Mordor and know your destination is Mount Doom. We received no support from 'the community' here when we asked for help. The silence of the response was overwhelming.


Now this, friendly approach from 'the community'? Eh, I am leaning toward investing NO more time in neverwinterconnections.com having read this. We have been working diligently on zero budget since NWC closed. What have you been doing?

 




So everybody who is not with you is not part of the NWN community? And you can brand the whole community as an ungrateful, unhelpful bunch just because you didn't recieve any help when you asked for it on your own website and/or forum?


When did you ask for help here or at the new vault? Is the new vault not made by the community for the community?


 


Someone flung dirt at you. What do you do? If you're grown up you shrug it off or deal with it in a civil way. If you want to behave like a kid you fling more dirt at them. That's what you did and while you were at it you included everybody else who was just standing by.


 


I feel offended by your comments about 'the community' and yes, I see myself as a part of this community.


 


You wrote NEVERWINTERCONNECTIONS.COM is awaiting only art for the 'robo-foil' system. PLEASE HELP.


But that was part of a post, not a thread in which you ask for help.


Not everybody reads every post in every sub-forum. For example I don't usually read posts about PWs because I'm just not interested in PWs.


You were looking for artists, so maybe you should have posted somewhere where artists are more likely to look at your post.


 


You also wrote that you treat nice people nicely. Have you seen how many video tutorials OldTimeRadio made for the community? Have you seen the NWN Omnibus he made for the community?


I find it awfully nice of him to do such things, as I find it awfully nice of Fester Pot to make great modules for the community.


You insulted both of them, if not personally, then by including them in everything bad you said abut 'the community'.


You know, that wasn't very nice of you.


               
               

               
            

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« Reply #99 on: April 16, 2015, 08:00:55 pm »


               

That was the LAST post in the OFFICIAL neverwinterconnections.com thread. It sat unanswered for two plus years. What do you want, maybe I should work the cattle-prod some?


 


With resources drawn from my own server's playerbase we were able to get and keep very basic hosting for the site for development. Again, with resources drawn from my own server's playerbase I only this past winter was offered funding to open a modest server for the purpose of hosting neverwinterconnections.com - we are/were in the process of reviewing what the budget can afford us to start, tho we are under-enthused at the prospect of raising future support from the community based on two years plus of total silence in the face of our humble request for help.


 


We posted here, and in the NWN 2 General Board and the response was typically split between knocking us or our criteria or methods, and occasional offers to help once we got it open. When we expressly asked for help, nothing resulted.


 


Pardon me for not being enthused after such a long gap, I guess I should just take this recent spate of attacks as my just desserts for having carried the load to date eh?


 


I wish you the best on your new project, perhaps you will all be so good as to start your own thread for the purpose instead of derailing this one you saw fit to neglect so long already.


               
               

               
            

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« Reply #100 on: April 16, 2015, 08:36:23 pm »


               

If I attacked you, I do apologize. It wasn't my intention.


I was under the impression that I was pointing out to you that you insulted the community as a whole and some individual community members who did not attack you but simply asked you if it was possible to redirect neverwinterconnections.com to http://neverwintervault.org/calendar.


They even added 'for the time being' which sounded to me like they just wanted that for as long as the new connections site isn't working yet.


 


And yes, I saw fit to neglect this thread because quite frankly there are parts of NWN that interest me a lot more than multiplayer. Not everybody has to read each thread or even each sub-forum to be part of the community.


 


But if someone starts insulting the community, I will not let them do so and say nothing, even if that means posting in a sub-forum I only read on occasion.


 


I don't know why you see everything as an attack on your person and start to snap at everybody.


               
               

               
            

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« Reply #101 on: April 16, 2015, 08:38:45 pm »


               

Well Ehye I posted my PM to you in this thread because I wanted transparency. All can see that there is no snark in it. If you took it that way, thats too bad.


 


All that aside however. What is going to come of this?


 


Art assets have nothing to do with the status of neverwinterconnections. Simply put, you failed to deliver on your promise. Years have passed and you've got nothing to show for it.


 


You've got three options here


(1) Finish the website


(2) share the URL


(3) none of the above


 


What is it going to be?



               
               

               
            

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« Reply #102 on: April 16, 2015, 11:11:08 pm »


               

This thread lay silent for two plus years after my request for art help.


 


First post in does not ask for a link but suggests I should redirect the whole url.


 


Second post in is full of snarky comments from a poster associated with the 'Thay' server.


 


Third post is from Hensua who suggests "Control of the URL and IP address should be given over to the community." So this would imply that what, that Hensua is the community? I won't even pretend that this statement reflects an understanding of the terms used in it. Do you mean "Domain Name"? Who exactly is 'the community' or are we to presume that would be you?


 


Now, I emphasize that for two years two months and some odd days after I asked this community on this forum in the official 'relaunching of neverwinterconnections.com' thread I get nothing, followed by a whole page of topic-derailing posts in a flurry.


 


Again, go make your own thread.


 


I have been in the web hosting business since 1987. I can tell you with sure knowledge that polite is to ask for a link. Presumptious is to publicly ask for redirect without so much as inquiring as to the state of the system. I am not sure I have a polite word for what it is to suggest "Control of the URL and IP address should be given over to the community" ... maybe 'jargon-impaired'.


 


When nice people approach us politely they get results like Pascalbrax and iscandar.ch did. Take a lesson from how that nice fellow works; first he contacts the other party privately, arranges a meeting for dialog, graciously accepts lore from fellow programmers, turns same into a new feature for his own use.


 


Good luck to you all on your new project. Again, go make your own thread, do not further derail this thread.


 


neverwinterconnections.com continues to seek help with needed art.


 


Anyone interested in helping with this or with funding of the site should contact us through our forum.


 


http://aldohral.foru...elp-needed#6394


               
               

               
            

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« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2015, 11:36:02 pm »


               

I'm not interest in any of your obfuscation, Ehye.


 


What are you going to do?



               
               

               
            

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« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2015, 12:25:01 am »


               


Cool beans, Baaleos.


 


I will be able a little late to this party, but I am coming. I am in the middle of a career shift back to tech after 15 years, and just put in notice at my non-tech job. I will be out of there in four weeks. A project like this will be fun and I look forward to it.


 


My plan is to improve the interface of the calendar at the neverwinter vault, and then after that extend its functionality. I currently have no idea how any of those systems work, but we should be able to make it work. I'll start on that in the second half of May. Yeah, thats far out, but thats the best I can do.



 


It would be nice if we could collaborate on this in order to achieve an interface that the community can interact with from their own web-sites or even applications on their computer. (Heck - with a properly constructed API, you could make the calendar system exposed to nwscript itself : Adding events from inside nwn?)


Eg: Register on the Vault - get an API Key, and then anyone who has an API key 'can' if they want, have 'add' privilages to the Calendar.


They can also have 'view' privileges and 'delete' for their own events.


 


This way, we can moderate the API Access.


 


With regards to the rant on this topic : If a site is left in disarray for 2 years, and the excuse is 'we need art', it kinda feels like sandbagging to me.


If I failed to even attempt to finish a project at work, and my reason was 'because I was waiting for 'insert name here' to finish X. I would be criticized for my inaction.


Why not even just add temporary images, or black backgrounds- anything is better than nothing.


No one was expecting a perfect looking finished article first time lucky. 


Something functional, still could have been constructed regardless of visual quality.


 



 I am not sure I have a polite word for what it is to suggest "Control of the URL and IP address should be given over to the community" ... maybe 'jargon-impaired'.



Lets go all Capitalist


You own the Domain, are you getting any use out if?


Would you be willing to sell the rights to it to someone who will put it to better use and less prone to tantrums?