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« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2013, 10:15:01 pm »


               Friend henshua,
Yes, as noted a few posts above, we are releasing the totally re-built neverwinterconnections.com site in a phased release. Phase One is online now, providing basic server listing in the database, and the unique feature that allowed DM/PLAYER matchmaking (this was deemed the most important and unique set of features the old site offered). Most of the rest of it was just a forum.

The forum we opted to do in Phase Two as it is a broad and deep subject that needed special attention but was replicated elsewhere on the web in many forms (so it was reasoned the NWC members could get by for a few months without the old forums).

As you may have noted, the old NWC was coded in a different language - which costs about $3000 for a license. No one stepped in with money for such a thing and honestly it was not needed (PHP did everything the other language did and costs NOTHING for a license). In the interest of making it less expensive to the next group that inherits NWC, we opted to recode from scratch in PHP.

Yes, we declined your offer of help. We frankly do not know you and we are handling this all very close to the vest for security reasons. There was no time nor resource to vett a new member of the team at that juncture so we worked on with the team we already had.

Phase Two is due out soon. If what is there now is buggy, please send us a bug report (either pm or use the bug tracker system).

What gives? As has been posted elsewhere, the isle of Cyprus has some serious electrical grid problems since the explosion that destroyed half the isle's power generation capacity. This has made it necessary to not work on the site during the hot summer months when air conditioning drain on the grid makes reliable computing impossible. Half of our team is on Cyprus.

We have the project well in hand and are not looking for additional coding help at this time. As previously stated, we need artists to contribute some specific art work and THAT is the point of this thread atm.

Thank you for your inquery.

Be well. Game on.
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« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2013, 10:48:39 pm »


               Thank you for your reply.

I am disappointed that you value security more highly than building a team to get the job done. Frankly to me this is quite obviously a bigger part of the problem than power outages on Cyprus.

I don't mean to press my own case to help you. My offer for help no longer stands as I don't have the time to deal with this. But considering the resources we still have available in the community I think this could have been handled in a way that actually saved the NWC.

I hope the NWC recovers, and regains its user base. And I wish you good luck.
               
               

               


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« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2013, 11:55:41 pm »


               When security is less than the number one priority, security will surely come back to bite later.

NWC was and will be a popular site, these can be targeted by less than scrupulous sorts. In fact, it has a history of being an unwilling participant in various attempts on the site. Again, because we do not know you, nor your skill level, we choose not to involve you (a stranger) in the effort. This is prudence.

I can see by your post that you value security less than do the rest of my team. This is perhaps a good thing that we did not work together, I'm thinking it may not have gone well.

I am certain NWC will be just fine (but then, I've seen the code). Stay tuned for new releases from NWC very soon.

Best wishes to you in your projects. Again no offense intended with our declining your offer, I seek only to help you understand that we did not have the ability to vett an outsider - we inherited the code at the very end of March, and hardly had two months to complete Phase One before the powergrid went to hades in a handbasket. Before you make light of how bad it is over there, check out the wiki article on the matter, you'll notice there were even protests and resignations at the top offices. With no improvement after nearly two years of this Erin is looking to move to France, where at least the grid is clean.

Surges kill hardware. We are not made of money. Thank you for your patience.

Be well. Game on.
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« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2013, 12:03:24 am »


               @Ehye_Khandee -Some time back, I sent you a PM about Railo, a completely FOSS Cold Fusion solution.  At least from what I've seen, bringing the old site back up in it's last workable form does not require those thousands of dollars of licensing fees.  Right there, if you want to bring the site back up, there appears to be a tool for you to do it that doesn't require re-coding everything from scratch in PHP.

I know you're concerned about security issues.  But could hackers have done any damage which took down the site for eleven months straight?  For me, that's the tip-off that this project appears to have entered development hell and that's no reflection on you or Eriniel, that's just a fact of life with any kind of development.  If it wasn't for the rather strict deadlines of the CCC, I think all of my projects would have ended up in development hell!

':lol:'

I really, really hope you consider consulting with someone like Rolo and potentially throwing up at least a working placeholder site using something like Drupal.  It is used in awfully "serious" places.  Just something temporary that people can use. 

If you can get a barebones proxy site up with similar functionality, you can start rebuilding your core userbase for when you do have the major conversion ready for prime-time.
               
               

               


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« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2013, 12:21:01 am »


               

ehye_khandee wrote...

Again no offense intended with our declining your offer, I seek only to help you understand that we did not have the ability to vett an outsider - we inherited the code at the very end of March, and hardly had two months to complete Phase One before the powergrid went to hades in a handbasket.


No offense taken. I was simply pointing out a problem that I saw. The point was not that needed me specifically, but that in general your team is obviously too small to do the job.

ehye_khandee wrote...
Before you make light of how bad it is over there, check out the wiki article on the matter, you'll notice there were even protests and resignations at the top offices.


I wasn't making light of it at all. The point was how vulnerable your project was due to team size given that a regional disaster could cause you so much trouble. For example if you had drawn on more of the community, they would have been more evenly distributed around the globe.

Incidentally I wish Eriniel well, I enjoyed RPing with her in the old days on Vives.

And anyway... enough of this... get back to work. '<img'>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2013, 12:35:05 am »


               

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@Ehye_Khandee -Some time back, I sent you a PM about Railo, a completely FOSS Cold Fusion solution.  At least from what I've seen, bringing the old site back up in it's last workable form does not require those thousands of dollars of licensing fees.  Right there, if you want to bring the site back up, there appears to be a tool for you to do it that doesn't require re-coding everything from scratch in PHP.

I know you're concerned about security issues.  But could hackers have done any damage which took down the site for eleven months straight?  For me, that's the tip-off that this project appears to have entered development hell and that's no reflection on you or Eriniel, that's just a fact of life with any kind of development.  If it wasn't for the rather strict deadlines of the CCC, I think all of my projects would have ended up in development hell!

':lol:'

I really, really hope you consider consulting with someone like Rolo and potentially throwing up at least a working placeholder site using something like Drupal.  It is used in awfully "serious" places.  Just something temporary that people can use. 

If you can get a barebones proxy site up with similar functionality, you can start rebuilding your core userbase for when you do have the major conversion ready for prime-time.


We take security seriously. We are not interested in the FOSS solution you offered, for reasons we do not need to share (security related) we chose to go with PHP. The old site had been hacked, and had a history of being hacked and may have resulted in malware being introduced to the downloads from NWC. We are seeking to NOT repeat history here.

Your strange statement about "could hackers have done any damage which took down the site for eleven months straight?" makes no sense what so ever. The site has not been offline, we have only had possession of the site code since the very end of March last year, 10 months total. At no point during that time was NWC offline. The unique and essential portion of the site, the game scheduler is functioning (php) and the rest (essentially a forum software) is on the way. To read your post, you'd think it was a 404 page and that is far from truth.

We choose not to use drupal due to known flaws I will not discuss. I have better things to do that to be made to clean up after hackers, thanks.

Phase One of our release IS a bare bones functional site. We have no need to invest effort in a temporary drupal fix, we are proceeding as planned and for reasons well considered. The site IS a functioning thing atm, missing only the forums (which merit special attention to protect against mischief).

Phase Two will be out soon. In the meantime, we'd like to use this thread to alert ARTISTS - WE NEED YOUR HELP. WE NEED ORIGINAL ART (specific pieces) to be used in the NWC authentication system. Please help.

Be well. Game on.
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« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2013, 05:27:50 am »


               What kind of original art are you looking for?  
Which specific pieces?  
What sizes for which pieces?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2013, 01:50:18 pm »


               

The Amethyst Dragon wrote...

What kind of original art are you looking for?  
Which specific pieces?  
What sizes for which pieces?

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« Reply #68 on: February 15, 2013, 12:01:52 am »


               CONTACT INFORMATION:

GM_ODA aka Ehye_Khandee  PM me on social.bioware.com and I'll give you an email in reply, to which you can send any images you submit for our use.

THANK YOU for your interest in helping us rebuild NeverwinterConnections.com.

As you already know, Eriniel and myself are rebuilding the neverwinterconnections.com website to run on Free Open Source Software (FOSS) rather than the proprietary (pronounced "several thousand dollars for a license" Cold Fusion) system on which it was based previously.

The original web site for neverwinterconnections.com was coded TEN YEARS AGO and much has changed on the Internet since those days. We are working to eliminate all obsoleted code and will deliver the system using only HTML, CSS and PHP. While we are busy about doing the 'heavy-coding' we have been discussing giving the site a new look. While the old graphics were OK, there were no 'pedigree' data about who made them and detailing licensing - as we respect IP rights, we would like to see NEW graphics to replace the old - the new graphics all donated by talented persons in the NWN Community. . . YOU.

==== BEGIN PROPOSED AGREEMENT ====

KUDOs to you and THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING. To be totally up-front about this engagement, we are asking you to donate your original works to fill the modest needs of the new neverwinterconnections.com - the art you provide, you provide with full rights to re-use in perpetuity and grant that we may transfer those rights along with the site to the control of another in the future, such rights will always be conveyed with the site ownership. YOU will receive a text credit on the credits page of the new web site, along with this credit, at your option, we will include a link to an internet location of your choosing, and/or a link to email you (while disguising your email addy from bots with our best digital subterfuge).

If you submit any art to me at the above email address, you acknowledge the terms set forth in the preceeding paragraph apply.

These three paragraphs (this and the above two) are the whole of the agreement between us should you agree and signify this by sending art to the above email address.

==== END PROPOSED AGREEMENT ====

ART PIECES REQUESTED:

LOGO - font/look of your choosing   'NeverwinterConnections.com'  this should be done to 'stand out' on a dark background'... provide in original format and .png - sized LARGE so we can 'reduce to fit', PLEASE send a sample also suited as overlay to the following banner art.

BANNER ART -
Replacement for 'nwtavern.jpg' in same size. We like the idea of a 'fade to black' on the left side of image, beyond that, you have carte-blanche. Please try to represent the NWN / NWN2 theme as broadly as you can (this is a versetile game engine so it may be challenging to conceive of the imagery to elicit a 'fits most of NWN' need - but praise be, there are talented persons like you to help us out there). 2200x472 pixels.

NEW ART - in the same size as 'nwtavern.jpg' to be used in the NWC FORUM - we ask you to do something that would 'evoke historic forums with a fantasy flair' beyond this, you have carte-blanche.

NEW ART - in the same size as 'nwtavern.jpg' to be used in the NWC LIBRARY - we ask you to do something that would 'evoke a library with a fantasy flair', beyond this, you have carte-blanche. 880x1152

NEW ART - 'Realms' are aka server clusters, e.g. two or more related NWN or NWN2 servers. What we would like for this one, done in the same size as 'nwtavern.jpg' - is to have something illustrative of portals/transit from "world to world", beyond that, you have carte-blanche. This piece will be used in the head of the server/realms search pages. 880x1152

FOR ALL THE ABOVE BANNER ART - please provide the art in native format and in .png format, both formats with and without the overlay of text 'NeverwinterConnections.com'

REPLACEMENT CHARACTER - traditionally, NWC has had a dwarf figure in the lower right corner. This character without a name that I know of - in some images seems to have the character of 'Dungeon Master' from the old D&D Cartoon series looking over his shoulder. This honestly alarms me as the IP for the cartoon is NOT even remotely conferred to NWN and has nothing to do with NWN. Whimsical, sentimental or whatever, I don't want that infringement on my watch. We respect IP here. All that said, what we need are one or more 'characters' to replace the friendly dwarf. In _some_ of the old dwarf's images (sorry, I was unable to locate them in time to send with this package) the dwarf held a plain white placard (like a small sandwich board in advertising parlance) - I rather liked the idea of the NPC depicted having 'signage space' that we can fill in with black or red text and links that change page to page.  So, whhat we need from you are one or more characters (of approximate same size image) to replace the dwarf. The character or characters you provide should fit 'standard nwn/dnd' and be one of the 'classic' races; dwarf, elf, gnome, halfling, human, half-elf or half-orc. The character should be outfitted as a DND character in whatever tasteful act you might envision that could involve either wearing signage or standing before signage (where we will insert text)... signage should be in the lower left quarter of the image, so that the character faces toward the center of the page. 880x1152

new/replacement art - small dragon icons, dragons sleeping, dragons 'breaking down the fourth wall' (e.g. looking at reader), dragons on treasure, in flight, etc. general purpose small dragon icons we can use about the site as buttons or accents. Beyond these few pointers, YOU HAVE CARTE BLANCHE on this too. keep size to 100x150 please. Submit in original format and as png.

replacement art - we need a new image to replace the 'NoImage.gif' (also in samples sent). Same size, as png file and original format please. 256x512

LASTLY - we need animation of a dragon doing a 'banner sized' swoop onto screen and drop object which bounces and resolves in near vision field as a scroll which features words "NEW MAIL" on it, as dragon takes wing up and out of view. This animation will play anew with each page-load while there is unread messages in the Members' inbox (the image will be engineered into the page to load only once, so it will have a small bandwidth usage overall). The swooping dragon should be done on a transparent background so it can appear 'in the foreground over' the banner and such links there. 880x1152


Disclosure - We have appealed to the community and were met with responses from only a few artists. We hope to enlist a few artists to assist us here, THIS IS TO GIVE US OPTIONS - and to be an 'insurance policy' if you will, ensuring that we get at least one image suited to each use. The characters, we will be using (randomized) from page to page, so we'll need BOTH of your efforts in that section of the page (variety is good there, you can use any 'look' you please to convey your desired message - e.g. sepia tones to help set the mood on a human sleuth entering a doorway is as OK as is bold realistic imagery with blood dripping from sword as the warrior pokes the anonymous monster body at his feet. . . whatever YOU as an artist feels best suits the piece you are making - the variety in your chosen styles from character to character helps us emphasize just how versatile NWN and NWN2 really ARE.

Where the banners are concerned, we'll choose from among the submitted pieces, but reserve the right to use all the good works you provide even if that means using them on other parts of NWC besides the one outlined in the paragraphs above.

In short, WE WILL USE YOUR WORK. I've seen/learned enough about YOU two artists that I feel very confident you are both going to turn in useful, high quality pieceds. YOU WILL GET CREDITED on the credits page for NWC as well (please provide us with the text and any email or web addy you might want associated with your name there).

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND ASSISTANCE AND VOLUNTEER SPIRIT! The community will appreciate your submissions for years to come.

If you can only do PART of the above request, please do. We need artistic assistance.
               
               

               


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« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2013, 01:00:23 am »


                I am not an artist. I used to do graphic design back when I was still a website designer, so I can do logos, but I don't even own a graphics tablet any more. 

Here's a resource I've found handy as heck for finding illustrations for my hand-outs and guides...
www.thefreerpgblog.com/2008/12/free-images-to-spice-up-your-game.html
               
               

               


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« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2013, 02:58:00 pm »


               

ehye_khandee wrote...

This character without a name that I know of - in some images seems to have the character of 'Dungeon Master' from the old D&D Cartoon series looking over his shoulder. This honestly alarms me as the IP for the cartoon is NOT even remotely conferred to NWN and has nothing to do with NWN.

Dungeon Master is a stock character in NWN2, and is included in the default game with a custom conversation that's available in any module. (Dungeon Master is the debug npc for the nwn2 original campaign, and the conversation reflects this). The npc is a nwn2 likeness of the cartoon character.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2013, 08:53:43 pm »


               Thanks for that both yof you.

Urk, I'll review the content on that URL.

kamal_, mystery solved. I'll be avoiding use of the character and look to replacing it with some alternate image free of IP issues.

Be well. Game on.
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« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2013, 10:16:46 pm »


               Does NWC offer DM training? I have not utilized the site, but do know that Guides and tips were offered for starting players at one time, and wondered if newbie DM's could get their feet wet, too. Thanks, and best of luck!
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2013, 11:10:00 pm »


               

ehye_khandee wrote...

Um, please don't derail the thread. This is about neverwinterconnections and has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR EXE HACK.

Thank you but no thanks. I DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE CHANGE THE EXE FILES TO GET FUNCTIONALITY.

As for neverwinterconnections.com we write our own code. We do not use SOAP in the neverwinterconnections.com web site. We don't even run windows. Neverwinterconnections.com is not a server and does not run nwn software at all. Needless to say, we also don't use nwnx in any form.

Your post has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH NEVERWINTERCONNECTION.COM nor this thread. While your offer would have been welcomed had it come by private channels, what you are doing here is derailing the thread. PLEASE REMOVE YOUR OFF TOPIC MATERIAL as I do not want to be thought to be endorsing your methods (altering the nwn exe files) - which I do not endorse at all.

WARNING TO EVERYONE BENT ON CHANGING THE EXES - unless I miss my estimate here, YOU WILL END UP FRAGMENTING THE COMMUNITY BY SENDING PART OF THE DATA ONE PLACE AND PART OF IT TO ANOTHER. THIS HELPS HOW?

Be well. Game on.
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painofdungeoneternal wrote...

I'd say the thread derailed with this, even if it's an old thread, not with skywings comments, i am frankly just stunned at how you describe things, and the heavy use of caps - are you actually yelling, but i hope to get this thread back on track.

Seconded painpofdungeoneternal. Yet I also must react to this rant.

It was you who mentioned in this topic the gamespy issue and existing solutions to fix it. Your response to Skywing is absolutely unfair and uncivil. Your attitude towards the initiative of peoples trying to help this game is also stunning. Do you have a better solution? How do you want to add the server listing functionality within game client without modifying game files? How do you think that it does help if everyone will make his own server list like you?
               
               

               


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« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2013, 02:35:29 am »


               I support the attempt to recover the game client's server list functionality and when you get it working I will use it, but I also see some important advantages to having separate decentralized server listings. I see no reason that these solutions would be mutually exclusive. Quite the contrary. I see them complimenting one another. 

Elhanan wrote...

Does NWC offer DM training? I have not utilized the site, but do know that Guides and tips were offered for starting players at one time, and wondered if newbie DM's could get their feet wet, too. Thanks, and best of luck!


NWC used to have a DM training program, but they stopped doing it years ago. Long before I even got involved with the site. 

Carlo_One's DM101 mods are a great intro to DMing. I highly recommend starting there.

DM 101 Self Study Module for NWN 
http://nwvault.ign.c...500450000.shtml 
DM 101 Self Study Module for NWN2 
http://nwvault.ign.c...id=14972&id=296 

Another great way to get some hands on training is to offer to assist an active DM. 

Once NWC is back up to full functionality I may be in a position to help Oda reinstitute the DM certification, but Carlo 1's mod will still be the central teaching tool. 
               
               

               


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