Is this game supposed to be so ridiculously easy?

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

WebShaman wrote...

The OCs are painfully easy.  There is almost nothing that you can do to make them difficult.  The sliders just give your opponents more hps, etc.  It does NOT make the AI better, etc.

Yes and this is true for most RPG games. Basically they are designed in order to every player will be able to finish them. So if the game is based on D&D for example and player is familiar with these rules then the game can be very easy for him.

I dont think that BGII give you more challenge, maybe compared to NWN OC, but not versus SoU/HotU. There are multiple modifications to BGII campaign in order to make it harder, "Tactic Mod", "Slightly Improved Ilyich" and "Sword Coast Stratagems II". Trust me I played all of them together and that was finally challenge!
               
               

               

                     Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 19 septembre 2011 - 02:56 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Gregor Wyrmbane]

               After reading the other thread, (about leveling up), the OP started, it does bring up a few questions. Did he make a new character when he started the game, or did he use one of the premade characters that are way too high a level to use in the OC?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_WebShaman]

               BGII is generally harder (note that this is mainly objective, but there are battles in it that overshadow anything that NWN OCs can offer) than the NWN OCs.

No wandering monsters in the NWN OCs if you rest.  Meaning you can basically rest whenever you wish in the NWN OCs.  You cannot do this easily in BGII, for example.  And resting in NWN gives you all your HPs back...not so in BGII, unless you rest at an Inn (and select rest until fully healed), etc.

And so on.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_iamsaige]

               I just finished OC with a non modded game on the second hardest difficulty. While most of it wasn't hard, some fights were a decent challenge for my AA. The settings did seem to affect all damage as I had to turn it down near the start as I was getting killed far more than my liking. The highest setting just has enemies do 200% more damage. The story isn't that bad in OC, though it's not amazing either. As others have said, it's just a learning curve for people and the real hard stuff is playing with some of the mods or online. BG has a great story, and will give you more control and a challenge, however once it ends, that's basically it. NWN on the other hand can keep going. That is if you want to try out other mods people have made, and there is a lot of them, or if online is your thing, plenty of game worlds still up and running.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_UrkOfGreyhawk]

               The OC sucks. Plain and simple. Shadows of Undrentide is better, but it's still not great. I'd suggest looking at the fan made modules on the vault. Many of them are infinitely better.

NWN shines brightest in multiplayer. Try finding a good NWN multiplayer campaign.

And YES! BUY BALDUR'S GATE and BGII.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par UrkOfGreyhawk, 19 septembre 2011 - 07:09 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_jmlzemaggo]

               

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

I don't know if the hardest mode "makes more sense".

You're right. Maybe not "more sense", but I just feel a '200% damage' bonus given to NPCs is the least you could give to enemies controlled by some artificial intelligency. It also very much depends on the level the module has been built on, I suppose. 
But most of the time, I'm just pleased with the higher level. 
Still a shameful piece of cake compared to multiplaying anyway. The only true NWN to me. And the only true way of gaming... seriously! 
               
               

               
            

[Legacy__Guile]

               I actually enjoyed the OC because it enthralled me in story, everyone who has completed it can tell you it wasn't even remotely challenging, SOU & HOU on the other hand had a bit more of a challenge in them.  Especially HOU, but alas, these modules were not designed to be overly challenging, they were designed to introduce one to world of D&D, so that you could learn the game, as NWN is still one of the most technically challenging games I've played yet.

You would think it's easy till you play online on an Action server, then suddenly you realize the OC was a breeze and the true game is played online where one must actually use all of one's resources to overcome, and that often does entail asking others for help, because let's face it, some of those monsters will put an end to you and quickly!

I loved Paths of Ascension because the Author designed monsters that were not only challenging, annoying, and scary, but he did it with good wit!  Those Rogue Spectres, a chump of a monster, struck fear into the hearts of all adventures who valued their coveted inventory!  The drow were not only organized, ready, and able to remove your head from your shoulders, they were smart enough to travel in War Bands, well prepared for anything that faced them, heavens forbid you accidently encountered a patrol alone, whoosh!

Ultimately I believe players like it very rough & challenging, though there are many RP players who cannot transition from the OC style of gameplay difficulty to Action Servers, as the level of difficulty is often anywhere from 3 to 20 times more difficult than the OC.  Unless one is well prepared to die and often, most actions servers may be too shocking to handle for many newer players.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par _Guile, 19 septembre 2011 - 07:34 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_WebShaman]

               ^*agrees wholeheartedly*

What I would really, really love is an RP Server that is hard as hell.  One where even Action players are moaning about the difficulty.

That would be awesome!
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_cds13]

               Hi Integrater, did you try Shadows of the Undrentide? It is much more difficult than the OC and the money becomes really a problem
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Mystery X]

               The OC may not be the hardest of the campaigns.  But it is more difficult if you start with a 1st level character.

There is lots of random treasure available in the OC.  But the quality of the treasure is based on your level range.  In the 1-6 level range, the random treasure will be getting you a couple of gp and the occasional low-level potion (like a barkskin or bless).

If the random treasure is piling on an abundance of gold and equipment, it sounds like you are getting the 7-12 level random treasure, or maybe the 13+ level random treasure.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Rowynia]

               The level of difficulty is also tied very directly to the type of class you use and how you play. Barbarians, fighters, and monks will be able to power through the game with little to no effort. Sorcerers, mages, and clerics will have a harder time but will probably do fine once they learn how to use spells. I'd argue the most challenging classes to play are skill classes, bards and rogues especially. If you want a challenge, play as a bard.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shia Luck]

               Nah... CHA based barbarian ftw *grin*

Have fun '>
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ffbj]

               It's like the OC is a giant demo.  A demonstration of what can be done. Sort of a vanilla version of what would become, I surmise, the most popular RPG of all time.  It's like people have said there's a lot more to it now after dozens of patches, thousands of modules, and of course online, which does not interest you that much.  My take is that they made the OC pretty easy so that people would not get frustrated and quit, sort of like aiming at the lowest common denominatior.  That would be my take on their approach, and it seems to have worked.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_philty_]

               I remember having come up with the Master of Uselessness, in a forum dedicated to the WORST builds ever, you could try this. Real challenge.

I think it went like 19 Sorc/ 1 Fighter half-orc (the first level obviously was fighter with CHA 09). It's guaranteed to suck and fail. You will have the largest xp-penalty, be unable to cast anything  but summon familiars and have lousy BA.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_WebShaman]

               

I think it went like 19 Sorc/ 1 Fighter half-orc (the first level obviously was fighter with CHA 09). It's guaranteed to suck and fail. You will have the largest xp-penalty, be unable to cast anything but summon familiars and have lousy BA.

And still be able to breeze through the OCs!  LOLOLOLOL