Identify/Lore issue...seeking a console solution.

[Legacy_Lightfoot8]

               Another solution to the lore problem would be to edit the skillvsitemcost.2da and placing a copy of the modified version into your override folder.  

Now the modified skillvsitemcost.2da in the override folder will not effect the character right away after being placed in the override filder,  in the test I just ran it didnt take affect untill I reloaded the game and leveled my character one time giving it one lore, At that point i was able to identify all the Items around that I was not able to before.   

There is still a side effect to this just like Hipmaestro mentioned about giving your character 50 lore.  The side effect with this one is that the same collumn that controlls the value of items that you can identify with lore also controls the items that you can use with UMD(Use Magical Device).   So your character will also be able to use more items if they have UMD.  

On the Postive side, once the 2da is in the override folder it will effect all of your single player games and characters, without having to edit each one, as long as the module does not have its own copy of skillvsitemcost.2da in a Hak attached to it.  

If you wanted to use the 2da override I have uploaded it to my projects on this site. http://social.biowar...ect/3342/#files

Here is a direct Download link. just unzip it and place it into your override folder.

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The people who have that opinion that nothing is cheating in SP will never be convinced otherwize. It is my opion that they fail to see the differance between the rules laid out by the module vs the rules laid out by the engine. They feel that just because the engine allows you to be able to do it, The rules laid out by the person who made the module are somehow overridden.

My opion is that if you break the rules of the module, You have cheated, The flexiabliity of the engine is placed there for the benifit of the builders and to scratch the itch for the ones that like to cheat.

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Since the first part of this post is the last thing I have to contribute to the original topic. Feel free to insult me all you want, I will not make another post unless it has some valid point on the original topic. The simple fact is that you have every right to consider it not cheating, Right or wrong,I have little chance of changing you opinion. On the other side of the coin I have the right to concider it cheating. If you feel that make me uneducated, fair enough, I gave up on educating myself a long time ago.

 The dissuction of cheating really does not belong in this thread. It only makes the OP read through a bunch of junk to get answers to the question they asked. 

So my uneducated apologies to the OP for my part in this extra garbage cluttering up your thread.  
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Lightfoot8, 10 septembre 2011 - 03:57 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               Dont forget Kail that there were more peoples who disagreed with your opinion. They just havent gut to argue with you. And you havent persuaded anyone from this camp.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_WebShaman]

               It is not an opinion - it has been validated.

Those of you who raised an issue with it failed to invalidate it.

It has absolutely nothing to do with opinion.  That is where those who were opposed to it failed in their logic.  In a closed SP environment, the player themselves make the rules.

Period.  

This was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Those that continue to rail against it are like those who believed that the world was flat (or still believe so).  It is like those who rail against the Theory of Evolution, not understanding that the word Theory here is defined in the scientific sense.

So you could call it the Theory of Closed SP play.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_qaerinju]

               In this case the player themselves considers it cheating (see 1st sentence). Are you saying that even if the player considers it cheating, it still isn't?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Kail Pendragon]

               

Lightfoot8 wrote...


The people who have that opinion that nothing is cheating in SP will never be convinced otherwize. It is my opion that they fail to see the differance between the rules laid out by the module vs the rules laid out by the engine. They feel that just because the engine allows you to be able to do it, The rules laid out by the person who made the module are somehow overridden.

My opion is that if you break the rules of the module, You have cheated, The flexiabliity of the engine is placed there for the benifit of the builders and to scratch the itch for the ones that like to cheat.

Your opinion is irrelevant to the reality of facts and it's also the offspring of delusion and of a limited intelligence of reality.

The rules laid out by the module builder are meaningless in SP, in SP there's only one authority which is the player. And the player is unable to cheat himself, he cannot deceive himself. He choses to pump up lore with leto, that i sfine. He choses to pump up STR to 255 that is fine. None of that is cheating. Nothing a player does in SP is nor can be cheating.

Since the first part of this post is the last thing I have to contribute to the original topic. Feel free to insult me all you want

You do a good enough job yourself with your display of unintelligence and lack of reasoning ability, thank you.

I will not make another post unless it has some valid point on the original topic. The simple fact is that you have every right to consider it not cheating

It's not the right to consider, it's what it is: it is reality.

Right or wrong,I have little chance of changing you opinion.

It's not opinion, it is facts. And you have no chance to change facts.

On the other side of the coin I have the right to concider it cheating.

Nope, you don't. Unless you change the definition of cheating.

If you feel that make me uneducated, fair enough, I gave up on educating myself a long time ago.

I don' t feel that makes you uneducated, it is a fact you are uneducated; you simply do not know what cheating means. And the fact you admit that you gave up educating yourself a long time ago speaks volumes.

 

The dissuction of cheating really does not belong in this thread. It only makes the OP read through a bunch of junk to get answers to the question they asked. 

The answer has been given already and anyhow it's not off topic. The OP wrongly believes that a certain practice i scheating and we informed him/her of the reality of facts.

So my uneducated apologies to the OP for my part in this extra garbage cluttering up your thread.  

And spreading falsity and unintelligence around.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Kail Pendragon]

               

qaerinju wrote...

In this case the player themselves considers it cheating (see 1st sentence). Are you saying that even if the player considers it cheating, it still isn't?

Of course: reality is objective. The OP is simply misguided and has a poor grasp of what cheating actually means.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Kail Pendragon]

               

ShaDoOoW wrote...

Dont forget Kail that there were more peoples who disagreed with your opinion. They just havent gut to argue with you. And you havent persuaded anyone from this camp.

And what should I care about those (like you and your dear now gone friend Lowlander) who disagree with basic logic (and not with me, mark it)? I have no interest in persuading anyone, truth is on my side. Keep living in your delusional world where one can cheat in SP and where modifications to wad game features are fixes... when someone fails to grasp such basic logical concepts, he's not really worth the trouble of persuading.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Kail Pendragon, 10 septembre 2011 - 07:37 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

WebShaman wrote...

It is not an opinion - it has been validated.

Those of you who raised an issue with it failed to invalidate it.

It has absolutely nothing to do with opinion.  That is where those who were opposed to it failed in their logic.  In a closed SP environment, the player themselves make the rules.

Period.  

This was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Those that continue to rail against it are like those who believed that the world was flat (or still believe so).  It is like those who rail against the Theory of Evolution, not understanding that the word Theory here is defined in the scientific sense.

So you could call it the Theory of Closed SP play.

Just to remind you, I agreed that if there would exist closed SP game then it would not be cheating. However I didnt agreed with your definition of such a game.

Since the OP mentioned his gaming experiences its not closed SP anymore by my view, thus he is cheating.

I wont argue about it anymore everything I want to say I already said, its just interesting how the "opposite camp" feel necessary to point this and debate about this everytime anyone tells opposite opinion. Especially Kail "I got last word" Pendragon.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 10 septembre 2011 - 08:22 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_jmlzemaggo]

               Not this again...
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ffbj]

               Wow.  I don't really get why so many are irate about this.  Personally I think it is more a mater of degree and an opinion.  Telling me how others should think about such a subject, is imo, really rather pointless. I think everyone is entitled to have their own opinion on this subject and nothing is proven as it's not  a scientific proof.
So by the irrefutable logic expressed above, if I make the rules and then break my own rules then I am cheating, but I can't be cheating because there is no cheating in single player.  See that is actual logic not the so called logical proof that there is no cheating in sp.  If you say there are no rules or the rules are that I can change the rules anytime I want, then why refer to rules at all?  There simply aren't any rules and you can do whaterver you want and not call it cheating. If that's what you want to believe, then believe it, but don't argue that is a validated proof for such behavior that proves it's not cheating. As if that somehow gives credence or weight to your argumet, because it doen't. IMHO.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par ffbj, 10 septembre 2011 - 08:48 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Kail Pendragon]

               

ShaDoOoW wrote...

]Just to remind you, I agreed that if there would exist closed SP game then it would not be cheating.

However I didnt agreed with your definition of such a game.

Since the OP mentioned his gaming experiences its not closed SP anymore by my view, thus he is cheating.

':D:D:D:D:D:D

Ludicrous to say the least. You have no clue whatsoever what closed SP means, dude. I'm not surprised since you generally have no clue whatsoever. Altering the lore skill, differently from what the OP thinks, in his/her SP games simply is not cheating.

I wont argue about it anymore

Dude, you cannot argue at all in the first place; there's nothing to argue in truisms.

everything I want to say I already said, its just interesting how the "opposite camp" feel necessary to point this and debate about this everytime anyone tells opposite opinion.

It's not a matter of opinion but of facts. There can be no cheating in SP.

Especially Kail "I got last word" Pendragon.

I've got no last word at all, I'm just stating a truism. The fact anyone feels like there's anything else to say about it or even to argue about says a lot about their intelligence of the matter.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Kail Pendragon]

               

ffbj wrote...

Wow.  I don't really get why so many are irate about this.  Personally I think it is more a mater of degree and an opinion.  Telling me how others should think about such a subject, is imo, really rather pointless. I think everyone is entitled to have their own opinion on this subject and nothing is proven as it's not  a scientific proof.

There is no opinion involved, it's just facts. There is no cheating nor there can be any cheating in SP. Facts, not opinion.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_ffbj]

               That's your opinion.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

Kail Pendragon wrote...
':D:D:D:D:D:D

Ludicrous to say the least. You have no clue whatsoever what closed SP means, dude. I'm not surprised since you generally have no clue whatsoever. Altering the lore skill, differently from what the OP thinks, in his/her SP games simply is not cheating.

Yes and I have especially no clue why moderators havent acted yet. Every post of yours contain hate speech against my or other persons who doesnt agree with you. Absolutely poor.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_WebShaman]

               You *cannot* break your own rules - you do see this, right?  The reason for this is because you yourself re-make the rules as you go.  It is not like your rules are set in stone, for all eternity, unchangeable.  If you decide to change them (you use the term break here, strangely enough), well, then, the change(s) become the new rule(s)!

When one acts as the ultimate authority (makes up rules for themselves), they cannot break their own authority.  Unless, of course, one has multiple personalities.  Instead, acting as the ultimate authority, they instead change the previous rules to be those of the present.  THERE IS NO HIGHER AUTHORITY THAT COMES INTO CONSIDERATION HERE!

As to "why refer to rules at all" - one doesn't have to.  That is the whole point here.  Are you somehow "forcing" yourself to adamantly obey your own rules?  What do you do when you find out that your rules lead to you being totally miserable?  Or at a completely dead end?  Do you change them?  

Note that this is ONLY in regards to a Closed SP Environment.  Obviously, in other types of environments, where others are involved, one needs rules for the group in question to abide by.

Case in point : you are alone on another planet, without hope of ever leaving or seeing or contacting another human being until death.

What rules are you bound by?  Who is going to enforce them?

@ShaDoOoW - asking a question on how to do something on a forum does NOT constitute a violation of a Closed SP Environment.  The OP is not trying to compare anything in his/her SP game with others, merely is asking for help in accomplishing something.

In other words, no comparisons are being made to anyone else's.  Therefore, there is no need for anyone else to agree (or not) with the OP's playing rules.