The inevitable is coming...

[Legacy_Metaldwarf]

               I have posted on the GoodOldGames (GOG) NWN Diamond Edition forums several times in the past extolling the virtues of NWN PW servers, maybe others could all do the same and we could 'recruit' some new blood that way. NWN is like the wizard in the party:He may need resurrection more than any other member, but you're darn glad that he's there all the same.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy__Guile]

               This game is hardly dying because of one post, not in the least...

The game is dying because of other reasons...

Unfortunately playing the blame game will not bring the problems to resolution either.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_NWN DM]

               The game is almost 10 years old.  As much as we enthusiasts love it, we shouldn't be surprised.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_jmlzemaggo]

               Before, I used to play every new game in a row. Since I bought NWN, I never even tried another one.
Not only because of my life, kids and all.
What a game. Dying?
In your dreams...
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_SuperFly_2000]

               As someone said...this game won't "die" anytime soon.

It is slowly losing players, or "dying" as you said but then, we all are.

It is amazing for how long this game has been popular and it just shows how the industry has failed to create something similar but better for 10 years.

About the servers I do miss some servers and sadly the ones that I like don't have enough players.

I am trying to find a roleplay server that is not all too serious and in the same time vanilla/"oldschool"/Forgotten Realms with good world design....but it is not as easy as it might sound....so that is what gives a "deserted feeling" a bit.

...while some servers are really well populated...only I don't see me doing the trade off by dumping the playstyle that I like.

I've been trying to get together with some friends using Xfire, Skype, MSN or whatever...but there just never seem to be enough of us at the same time wanting to play on the same server/same game unfortunately....as I am not playing that ultra much myself and even lately been playing mostly Minecraft...cause its fun, multiplayer and creative.

Almost totally deserted my ideas of making a PW from scratch. There are some new PW out that I kind of like. They have almost everything...except players.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_avado]

               Here's my 2 cents. I was a DAILY player for 5 years. I posted on ECB just about as often. It was a glorious time! Alot of creativity in character building! Amazing ideas changed hands! It was an exciting time to be a part of nwn. As we get older, other stuff becomes a priority (wife and children for me). NWN is close to last place now, if that.

It is my humble opinion that it ISNT the pws! It isnt the mods! It is the players that make it. Like any old timer would say, "We can't do it for you." We did it already for ourselves! There were 10 pages on one thread of ridiculous discussion when "we" did it years ago with coutresy and maybe alittle jibbing. TO be quite honest, nwn died in 2009. That's when I really saw this attitude come in where "Im new so F&*K what you say". That killed it for many. I was never an angel, far from it, but I always tried to learn.

The ONLY way nwn will fill up is with this sort of player coming to nwn. For you who still take up the scrimter and tower, I hope they come! It was amazing!!!
               
               

               

                     Modifié par avado, 30 mai 2011 - 10:58 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_UrkOfGreyhawk]

               Hey. I'm still here. I don't have a lot of gaming time, but I build every night in preparation for my return.

Since we're all throwing pennies into the pot I'd like to throw in a couple of my own.

We need to stop fighting with the NWN2 folks. Who the hell cares which is "better"? All it does is divide what's really a single community. Personally I love both. I still build in NWN1, but that's not because it's better. I LOVE the NWN2 toolset. It's just a time issue. Electron is a lot sexier than Aurora. If I had time to woo her I'd have her shorts around her ankles 5 nights a week.

When and if Neverwinter ever comes to fruition we need to welcome those folks too. It doesn't sound like my cup of tea, but for every hundred casual gamers it lures in I'll wager one or two will want to try something a little deeper. Those are potential enthusiasts.

As a very wise man once said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_WebShaman]

               The NWN and NWN2 Communities are not "divided" - they were never a part of each other.

Some from the NWN Community moved over to NWN2 (some came back).  They are both different games, and are not related.

So one could say that the NWN2 Community borrowed from the NWN Community (to put it nicely).

The truth is that most cannot really build in both communities - because time is always a factor.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_UrkOfGreyhawk]

               Thanks Shamen. That was very helpful. Really. Good work.

God forbid an NWN2 builder should ever help me with an NWN script...


               
               

               

                     Modifié par UrkOfGreyhawk, 31 mai 2011 - 06:04 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_WebShaman]

               It is not a question of one or the other communities helping one another - that occurs often enough.

It is simply a question of time and resources - or rather, lack thereof.

To convert much of NWN resources into usable form for NWN2, many would have to completely abandon NWN in order to be able to put in the time and effort required to do so.  A complete "brain drain" and talent vacuum so to speak.

As for the other direction...well, one doesn't seem to see much of that.  Other than the one or other model or texture, there just has not been much of a NWN2 -> NWN flow.

So what is really being asked here (and has been asked since NWN2 came out) is for NWNers to abandon NWN for NWN2.

And I am against that.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_SuperFly_2000]

               Yeah...there are enough common denominators that bind the communties together.

At least the move of the NWN1 forum here has made us more aware of what is going on with NWN2 as well. Also as most have pointed out already there are enough areas where NWN1/2 people stay together or even help each other.

That is not a problem or anything else. It is just a symbiosis.

Personally I will always have a sour taste in my mouth concerning NWN2 as it at the time it was introduced dragged players from the NWN1 community as I thought, for no reason at all. Effectively closing down the server I was playing on, "moving resources to NWN2", despite my loud attempts to hinder it.

For what little it was worth I was proven right later when that NWN2 server miserably failed and panic attempts where made to bring the NWN1 server with its former glory...which never happend because most people had "moved on" as they called it. Either to other games or to grown up life.

Please understand that I am not bashing NWN2 with the above. I am just stating what happend with that server and that my own oppinion always will be tainted by this....even though I theese days gladly share anything with the NWN2 community and I really do believe we should realise what bind us together.

Now to what we can do.

I have been trying for a long time to convince people from the MMO-crowd that NWN is the perfect F2P MMO.

Thats just one thing.

As most know I have been trying to get all of the MP community together on Xfire under the Xfire community I made there....with so-so success.

One thing that happend was that Xfire was bought by a company everyone thought would scrap Xfire or halt development as a whole. Now two years after that it is in fact still live and will. Sure...development of it is a lot slower but it is under control...

What I know there are no better messenger programs for playing NWN. Raptor is ok but isn't even near Xfire in functionalty. Steam has even less functionality and close to nothing for NWN1.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par SuperFly_2000, 31 mai 2011 - 02:34 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

SuperFly_2000 wrote...


As most know I have been trying to get all of the MP community together on Xfire under the Xfire community I made there....with so-so success.
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Really? By stating things like this?

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

 Especially on self proclaimed "hardcore roleplaying servers".

 my will to crusade against elitist RP servers....

I think you might want to rethink that All 4 One mentality you are touting as it seems to not be a All 4 One when you single out role playing servers in your community as the enemy rather than a true NWN Community. As I have stated before giving even one serve rprefence ove another is the anti Community approach.

True Community and full MP acceptence once again only comes from letting ALL NWN Servers in. In the PW Admin thing we allowed Social, Action, RP, even Harry Potter and Modern servers in because it is a Community thing.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par TSMDude, 31 mai 2011 - 06:45 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_UrkOfGreyhawk]

               Yeah. TSM Dude makes a valid point, Superfly. I like the X fire platform, although it does bring an occasional munchkin prowling into one of my "elitist rp" hangouts and that always pisses me off.

I don't suppose you remember the X-Fire Snafu we had when one of your munchkin buddies followed you into a DM tutorial Skunkeen and I were running? We were trying to teach newbies some tricks of the DM trade and some idiot named ragdollknight popped in and started spawning in monsters to eat the NPCs and penguining everybody.

It got so bad we had to restart the server and ban his CD key.

I generally keep X-Fire turned off during real RP sessions. But I agree it's a great matchmaking tool.

If you really want to get the MP community involved you're going to have to at least agree to disagree with those of us in the the hardcore RP crowd. A part of that means creating a culture of respect for "cultural" differences between servers and discouraging boorish behavior when visiting new servers until the "house rules" can be established.

Shamen, I understand your bitterness. I REALLY do. I was also quite antagonistic when NWN2 came out. I felt betrayed that the MP client was so buggy. I was angry that so little was done to improve gameplay. I hated that it was so hard to attach animations to models. And I said so. Forcefully. Every chance I got.  I even got banned from the old forums for "Atari Bashing" during the whole MoW debacle...
http://urksoutpost.b...-banned-by.html

Boy... did I call that or what?

But you know what?

NWN2 isn't so bad. Most of us play both. We share the same websites. We share the same forums. Our primary matchmaking site, NWC, caters to both versions. The toolsets are similar, and the scripting languages are almost identical. The rules are basically identical. Both games are becoming retro and suffering from a shrinking player base.

At least at NWC we're actively trying to create a culture of cooperation. A single community of like minded gamers. I may prefer mustangs and you may prefer explorers, but what's important is that we both love Fords.

Nobody is suggesting that NWN users should switch to NWN2, at least I'm not. My personal preferance is still NWN, but I reserve the right to join an NWN2 game if a particulary good DM is running one I'm interested in, or build an NWN2 module if I find myself with time on my hands.

I'm just suggesting that we let go of all the bitterness and angst and celebrate what we have in common rather than dwell on our differences. The entire community will last longer that way.

We're much stronger together than we are apart.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par UrkOfGreyhawk, 31 mai 2011 - 08:13 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_SuperFly_2000]

               TSMDude,
I don't know why you are coming at me again with quotes from other threads (ripped from their context) but at least I will comment more this time. Take a look on the server list on my Xfire guild page again and you will see that it contains a lot of different servers.

One thing I have choosen is to have some handpicked servers that are really good but that have a low amount of players. I mean it is not more than right to give theese servers a little extra visibility right?

You know as well as me that I can't put EVERY server there. Thats like a thousand servers or what? I mean its the same thing as telling CEP they need to put each and every custom content on the vault in their pack...otherwise they are not the "community" expansion pack. So...they are actually CHOOSING what to put in right? Well...you get the point.

Anyway, to get you off my back :-P If you want your server on the list just message me the appropriate information that I need (see the news section for examples). Later on I can also make more news posts for you or even create events. Just need to get back from a one week vacation.


Urk,
haha yeah Urk. Well...as I said....Xfire does draw a lot of action/PvP/L337 crowd whom not all of are eloquent and grown up. Still I have many friends there that like RP as well.

About "elitist RP" I don't know what context that is from but its not like I hate every RP server as I play on most of them myself. The thing is that too much RP destroys the game for me. While that is a con for me I understand some get a kick of the near-social type of RP so I'll leave it at that. I just think it is a shame that the RP-servers can't have a littttle more action in them....as they usually are so good out of any other aspect for that kind of play as well.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par SuperFly_2000, 31 mai 2011 - 08:22 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

SuperFly_2000 wrote...

Anyway, to get you off my back :-P If you want your server on the list just message me the appropriate information that I need (see the news section for examples). Later on I can also make more news posts for you or even create events. Just need to get back from a one week vacation.

About "elitist RP" I don't know what context that is from but its not like I hate every RP server as I play on most of them myself. The thing is that too much RP destroys the game for me. While that is a con for me I understand some get a kick of the near-social type of RP so I'll leave it at that. I just think it is a shame that the RP-servers can't have a littttle more action in them....as they usually are so good out of any other aspect for that kind of play as well.

1/ I do not want my players server listed like that. Honestly it would be better to rotate them once a week. Community is about sharing. If I said cool, list us and all is forgiven then I am doing a dis to the Community I care about.

2/ I see players on our server travel constantly and go out and fight and rp. I see just as many sit around and rp in the taverns. I see that on a lot of servers including two of which you listed on your front page when I visited a year ago or longer and realized how it worked.

PWs, SPs, and MPs along with CC and just about every thing in betwen from modders to scripters to bald sasquatches and thier mommas have played or play NWN and with such a wide range of people it is paramount if you take on a name like NWN Community and contuine to promote the XFire as a NWN Community you include parts of all of them.

I wish I had thought of it but tbh if I did then I would never have time to run a PW or make SP Modules. As is I dont even get to play as a player and only DM or create. This is something you need to decide on your own if you truly are going to be all about Community or at least be honest and say this is Superfly's Suppah Servers Community.

And Urk, i understand your bitterness to NWN2 and feel your pain. I am seeing though it slowly heal and thankfully it is begning to work itself out like Aunt Marthas pecan pie after Thanksgiving.