He's never played a comp. game - easiest starter class?

[Legacy_KaidiK]

               My husband has played solitaire and done crossword puzzles on the computer. That's the extent of his gaming experience. I finally talked him into trying NWN. I was thinking of just starting him as a fighter, but does anyone think something else would be easier for him?

He really doesn't have a clue, conceptually, of what this entails. He doesn't know what a hit point is.

Suggestions?

Thanks,

Julie
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Gregor Wyrmbane]

               I don't think it gets any easier than the fighter class for starting out. It's nearly impossible to screw that up in the OC, if that's where you're going to start him out. Probably best case scenario is to play it in MP across a LAN and roll up a PC that you can use to compliment/support his fighter. That way you can keep him out of any serious trouble. ;^)
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_olivier leroux]

               If he isn't familiar with D&D nor any other RPG, has never really played a computer game before and didn't feel the urge to try it until you talked him into it, I guess it's probably just as crucial to choose the right module, maybe even more so than choosing the right class for him. Like something short and clear, not too heavy on rule-based combat tactics but with an interesting story, puzzle or other challenge that gets him hooked. I'm not sure if the OC is a good choice in that regard but you'd know what kind of scenario would be best suited for him, and also if the gameplay as a fighter will be challenging enough for him or if it's likely to bore him in its straightforwardness and limited choices. And yeah, if possible, I'd suggest trying Multi-Player together.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par olivier leroux, 01 mai 2011 - 09:26 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_jmlzemaggo]

               Maybe the easier solution would be to get a new husband, perhaps?
Only a suggestion. That's you to decide. Does he know how to cook well, for instance?
(Sorry, but I had to do that.. :innocent:)

Almost 0 computer game? Yes, fighter, but as Olivier was saying, if he gets bored, there are many better choices than a fighter. 
Actually, if he doesn't get bored with playing a fighter... maybe you should reconsider my first option... 
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                     Modifié par jmlzemaggo, 01 mai 2011 - 09:44 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Elhanan]

               Rewatch films like Spartacus, Gladiator, Robin Hood, Braveheart, Conan, etc. If hubby is now eating  his meat products rare, play Fighter. However, if this is his first time to see these films, re-consider and go for Cleric

It's all good, except low CHA Sorcerers! Good luck!
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_KaidiK]

               lol. I wish we could do multiplayer, but we have satellite internet, which kind of sucks in that sort of venue. I was going to start him out on the OC, but maybe I'll pick something else. (He did like Gladiator and Braveheart a lot. lol.)

I don't *think* he'll get bored initially, because he's going to be too busy enjoying running around and looking at stuff. But that could get old pretty quick.

@jmlzemaggo: He doesn't do the cooking, mostly, I do, because make semi gourmet stuff as a hobby. But he does *everything* else, including cleaning up the kitchen after I trash it building some big production number. ;-) Best keep him.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_KaidiK]

               

Probably best case scenario is to play it in MP across a LAN and roll up a PC that you can use to compliment/support his fighter.

Waittttt a minute. We can multiplayer this on our LAN without logging into a game server?

J.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Lightfoot8]

               

KaidiK wrote...

Probably best case scenario is to play it in MP across a LAN and roll up a PC that you can use to compliment/support his fighter.

Waittttt a minute. We can multiplayer this on our LAN without logging into a game server?

J.

yes you can play any game Via lan without connecting to a internet server.  

You can do that by either just starting the game with the client in multiplayer mode and then have the other player connect by joining the Lan game.  This method does have the Draw back that if the person who started the game logs out it shuts down the server. 

Or you can run nwserver.exe ( the Stand Alone Server)  in your NWN folder to start your own server.  Then both of you can log into it via the Multiplayer Join Lan Gmae option.  
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_The Fred]

               Hmm, Fighter is often recommended as a start class, but I'm not so sure, it depends. If you're likely to get bored with it, it's probably not a great choice. Something like Wizard is probably a bit too much to get to grips with all in one go for someone who knows nothing of the rules (memorization, concentration, etc).

Barbarian might work, however, especially if you just want to smash things. They get more HP than Fighters, so are perhaps slightly less fragile, their only real active ability is rage, and though they don't get the bonus feats, that might be an advantage, because all those feats do a lot of different and confusing things. Just giving him Knockdown or something might be best.

One of the other Fighter classes is probably not a bad bet either. A Ranger or Paladin starts much like a Fighter, but gets a few more abilities later. They get spells and whatnot past L4 but it's late enough that it's probably OK, and besides, if you never used your spells you'd be fine (what's one Entangle spell at that level?). It might be a good balance between simple and not boring.

Clerics are good, but any spellcasting class might not be so great an idea, at least if you want to be on the safe side. That pretty much leaves Rogues, who are also probably not a great idea for a beginner (fragile, and too many foes are sneak-immune).
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_jmlzemaggo]

               

KaidiK wrote...
@jmlzemaggo: He doesn't do the cooking, mostly, I do, because make semi gourmet stuff as a hobby. But he does *everything* else, including cleaning up the kitchen after I trash it building some big production number. ;-) Best keep him.

Agreed! I know love when I see it...
Wonderful. Keep him! 
And don't ever introduce him to my wife, please?

About you guys playing against each other?
Or even side by side, just the two of you, against the... "Evil Electronics"? 
Isn't this possible with NWN? Some sort of homy (intranet) multiplayer? No outgoing connection? 
I'm not kidding here, for once.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               I wouldnt start with NWN at all. I would start with games like Baldurs Gate II or more straight Icewind Dale II. Reason for this is graphic, if you start with NWN you wont like those older games because of GUI/graphic, but if you start with older games then NWN will be suddenly more amazing. That lack of multiplayer in those games is still issue though.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_olivier leroux]

               

ShaDoOoW wrote...

I wouldnt start with NWN at all. I would start with games like Baldurs Gate II or more straight Icewind Dale II. Reason for this is graphic, if you start with NWN you wont like those older games because of GUI/graphic, but if you start with older games then NWN will be suddenly more amazing. That lack of multiplayer in those games is still issue though.

That's assuming he will have enough drive and time to play through the whole history of CRPGs.
Judging from Julie's post, she's probably happy enough if she only manages to convince him to like one game, and I guess her choice was NWN because she likes it herself (and what if he doesn't like NWN anymore after playing BG2? I bet that happens more often than the other way around).

Come to think about it, if we'd go that route, I wouldn't suggest anyone who's never played a computer game to start with a rule-heavy RPG like D&D at all, in order not to scare him off ...  But nevermind. And in that regard, I think NWN is an acceptable compromise because of its versatility and the Multiplayer component.

I'd make him play a fighter type and then assist him with a spell caster in LAN mode. Who knows, he might soon envy you for your caster's flashy spell casting abilities and that might give him the necessary ambition to learn more about the game. 
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                     Modifié par olivier leroux, 02 mai 2011 - 10:51 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_The Fred]

               If you start someone on BG, they will get killed by a wolf whilst checking their inventory like 2 mins in, and have to start from scratch (including character creation) again, because they forgot to save (true story). They will grow up realising that the world is tough and unkind, and that only those who remember to save survive. I think that's a great thing, but baptism by fire is not necessarily the best way to get someone into a game genre. The BG series also had the even wierder 2nd edition rules.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Lightfoot8]

               

The Fred wrote...
. The BG series also had the even wierder 2nd edition rules.

If we could only go back to 2.0, Things would be great.  
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Elhanan]

               

The Fred wrote...

Hmm, Fighter is often recommended as a start class, but I'm not so sure, it depends. If you're likely to get bored with it, it's probably not a great choice. Something like Wizard is probably a bit too much to get to grips with all in one go for someone who knows nothing of the rules (memorization, concentration, etc).

Barbarian might work, however, especially if you just want to smash things. They get more HP than Fighters, so are perhaps slightly less fragile, their only real active ability is rage, and though they don't get the bonus feats, that might be an advantage, because all those feats do a lot of different and confusing things. Just giving him Knockdown or something might be best.

One of the other Fighter classes is probably not a bad bet either. A Ranger or Paladin starts much like a Fighter, but gets a few more abilities later. They get spells and whatnot past L4 but it's late enough that it's probably OK, and besides, if you never used your spells you'd be fine (what's one Entangle spell at that level?). It might be a good balance between simple and not boring.

Clerics are good, but any spellcasting class might not be so great an idea, at least if you want to be on the safe side. That pretty much leaves Rogues, who are also probably not a great idea for a beginner (fragile, and too many foes are sneak-immune).

heh! Kinda my cloudy initial thoughts, too.

Fighters get a ton of Feats during the game, but no abilities and few skills. If hubby wants more to do than hit stuff, the recommendation for Ranger is a solid one, as it has more abilities and skills, but just the standard Feats. And the NWN1 Ranger is far and above better than the 3E PnP version; possibly the inspiration behind the 3.5 PnP model, too.