For the second time ever i'm going to make a Sorc.. But what other classes?

[Legacy_Makta]

               Seeing how i'm mostly thinking that a fighter should only have fighting classes and a caster should only have caster classes im not after the "best"
So far i thought about palemaster but they don't really look that great for a sorc.. Then we have RDD but they are not good for sorc's either i've heard. Any other ideas?

Edit: Don't forget to mention if i need a certain number on some stats for a specific feat or so. Thanks

And i would still like to know where you can get Deck of Hazards seeing how i've gone through the game way to many times and never seen it :|
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Makta, 04 novembre 2010 - 10:24 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Eurypterid]

               Don't recall the Deck of Hazards. As for the Sorcie, I'd say leave it pure. Since they gain new spells one level later than a WIZ, there's more to lose than gain if you add other classes.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Makta]

               

Eurypterid wrote...

Don't recall the Deck of Hazards. As for the Sorcie, I'd say leave it pure. Since they gain new spells one level later than a WIZ, there's more to lose than gain if you add other classes.

Hmm ok.. Im going to go trough SOUT and HOTU if that matters?
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Eurypterid]

               Nope, not really. You'll reach around level 27 by the end of HotU, which will mean 2 epic SOR bonus feats if you keep it pure.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_HipMaestro]

               35sorc/3pally/2rogue

STR - 14
DEX - 8 or 10
CON - 14
INT - 14
WIS - 10 or 8
CHA - 16 (30)

1- Sorcerer - Power Attack, Still Spell
2- Sorcerer
3- Sorcerer - Spell Focus (Evocation)
4- Sorcerer - CHA +1
5- Sorcerer
6- Sorcerer - Empower Spell
7- Paladin
8- Sorcerer - CHA +1
9- Sorcerer - Greater Spell Focus (Evocation)
10- Sorcerer
11- Sorcerer
12- Sorcerer - Maximize Spell
13- Sorcerer
14- Sorcerer
15- Sorcerer - Silent Spell
16- Paladin - CHA +1
17- Rogue
18- Paladin - Divine Shield
19- Sorcerer
20- Sorcerer - CHA +1
21- Sorcerer - Armor Skin
22- Sorcerer
23- Sorcerer
24- Sorcerer - Automatic Still Spell I, CHA +1
25- Sorcerer
26- Sorcerer
27- Sorcerer - Automatic Still Spell II, Automatic Still Spell III
28- Sorcerer - CHA +1
29- Sorcerer
30- Sorcerer - Great Charisma I, Epic Spell: Epic Mage Armor
31- Sorcerer
32- Sorcerer - CHA +1
33- Sorcerer - Great Charisma II, Epic Spell: Epic Warding
34- Sorcerer
35- Sorcerer
36- Sorcerer - Great Charisma III, Epic Spell: Greater Ruin, CHA +1
37- Rogue
38- Sorcerer
39- Sorcerer - Great Charisma IV
40- Sorcerer - Epic Spell Focus (Evocation), CHA +1

Not my build, but I've used it and it is uber.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par HipMaestro, 05 novembre 2010 - 03:14 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Kail Pendragon]

               Exalted Sorceress
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Westan Willows]

               RDD is not bad for a sorc, but if you are not carefull you can wind up with a 15 level Pc that can't fight to save his life. A Sorc5/RDD10 is still a 5th level sorc going up against 15 lv opponanets.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

HipMaestro wrote...

35sorc/3pally/2rogue

STR - 13
DEX - 8
CON - 12
INT - 13
WIS - 8
CHA - 18 (34)

1- Sorcerer - Expertise, Improved Expertise
2- Sorcerer
3- Sorcerer - Extend Spell
4- Sorcerer - CHA +1
5- Sorcerer
6- Sorcerer - Still Spell
7- Paladin
8- Sorcerer - CHA +1
9- Sorcerer - Empower Spell
10- Sorcerer
11- Sorcerer
12- Sorcerer - Maximize Spell, CHA +1
13- Sorcerer
14- Sorcerer
15- Sorcerer - Power Attack
16- Paladin - CHA +1
17- Sorcerer
18- Paladin - Divine Shield
19- Sorcerer
20- Sorcerer - CHA +1
21- Sorcerer - Armor Skin
22- Sorcerer
23- Sorcerer
24- Sorcerer - Automatic Still Spell I, CHA +1
25- Sorcerer
26- Sorcerer - Automatic Still Spell II
27- Sorcerer - Automatic Still Spell III
28- Sorcerer - CHA +1
29- Sorcerer - Improved Combat Casting
30- Sorcerer - Epic Spell: Epic Mage Armor
31- Sorcerer
32- Sorcerer - Great Charisma I, CHA +1
33- Sorcerer - Epic Spell: Epic Warding
34- Sorcerer
35- Sorcerer - Great Charisma II
36- Sorcerer - Great Charisma III, CHA +1
37- Sorcerer
38- Rogue
39- Rogue - Great Charisma IV, skill dump
40- Sorcerer - Great Charisma V, Great Charisma VI, CHA +1

fixed double silent spell, missing one level of rogue, missing one epic feat and made it more power

Spel focuus is useless, with my changes you get +2 DC to all spells for all spell school and you can wear Elven Ceremonial Armor which will give you all spell focuses which is anither +2.

Rogue in this build is there because of traps. Pixie is bad choice for this cause, you can't really control her very much in combat.

As familiar, I suggest eyeball because of its imba knockdown and daze ray.

(maybe I made another mistake cos I just rewroted it there without trying in game, in that case please correct me)
               
               

               

                     Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 06 novembre 2010 - 04:54 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Kail Pendragon]

               

ShaDoOoW wrote...


Spel focuus is useless...

Not true generally speaking. Sure, Evocation ain't the typical focus choice for mages I'd rather go with Necromancy.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Kail Pendragon, 06 novembre 2010 - 12:54 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_HipMaestro]

               I'm not going to revisit the spell focus/spell penetration debate because it's been pretty much beat to death, ShaDoOoW.  Like I said, I've used this build and it works very well.  I always assume mundane equipment in builds.

How are you going to take Autostill feats without the prereq?  (There weren't two Silent Spells, if you look closer.)

My original inclination was to go the expertise route but was informed it doesn't work with casting in a large number of environments.  Besides that, I was skeptical as to if it would stack with EMA.

The rogue dumps are only for Tumble and UMD afaik.  I've seldom used pixie for anything but recon after early levels since the skills and combat effectiveness degrade rapidly in epic levels. I really have no clue why you added a third rogue level, especially as consecutive levels. As far as traps go, just possess the pixie and trigger all those that can't be disarmed (or summon a badger to spring them)  Damage taken in possessed form is insignficant doing it this way.

BTW, the Greater Ruin epic is a matter of personal choice.  I don't use it myself but hear many do so left it there.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par HipMaestro, 06 novembre 2010 - 02:58 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Shia Luck]

               

Makta wrote...

Seeing how i'm mostly thinking that a fighter should only have fighting classes and a caster should only have caster classes im not after the "best"
So far i thought about palemaster but they don't really look that great for a sorc..

Generally true yes, but PM has hide and MS as class skills so it is one way to get access to SD (Now you only have to cross class 5 tumble points) and the value of HiPS to a caster can not be understated. That single level also grants +2 AC. S35/SD4/PM1 is a good split.

Then we have RDD but they are not good for sorc's either i've heard. Any other ideas?

RDD isn't very good, no. 1 level of cleric can be very useful to get turn undead which is access to Divine Might. 3 levels of paladin also gets you access to it and has the wonderful divine grace at lvl 1. Blackguard is similar but much harder to qualify for so isn't the best choice, but can work.

And i would still like to know where you can get Deck of Hazards seeing how i've gone through the game way to many times and never seen it :|

Can't remember if there is one in the OCs but I think there is in the Sands of Fate series which is designed to carry on after HoTU and get you to lvl40 ish. If you plan on 40 levels of course you get a lot more flexibility of what you can build.

EDIT: As far as spell foci go. I like enchantment, necromancy or even necromancy & illusion. I wouldn't bother with evocation spell focus tho.

Have fun '>
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Shia Luck, 06 novembre 2010 - 03:49 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_jmlzemaggo]

               'Evocation' is only a man thing I suppose. The 'boum-boum' philosophy.More like mine. '>
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

Kail Pendragon wrote...

ShaDoOoW wrote...


Spel focuus is useless...

Not true generally speaking. Sure, Evocation ain't the typical focus choice for mages I'd rather go with Necromancy.

Well consider +4 to all and +6 to one school. Elven armor is quite mundane equipment. Its halfplate +1, available amost everywhere. This is enviroment specific, but generally on most server monsters has high fortitude due to devastating critical, so I would not take Necromancy which is however best for pvp.

HipMaestro wrote...

How are you going to take Autostill feats without the prereq?  (There weren't two Silent Spells, if you look closer.)

Ah right, there was silent spell, I misread it as Still spell, I fixed it in that sheet. That can be usefull in some situations, but I would never take it over Extend Spell thats quite big mistake.

HipMaestro wrote...
My original inclination was to go the expertise route but was informed it doesn't work with casting in a large number of environments.  Besides that, I was skeptical as to if it would stack with EMA.

Right, I forgot about this. Depends on enviroment really. In OC its possible to use.

The rogue dumps are only for Tumble and UMD afaik.  I've seldom used pixie for anything but recon after early levels since the skills and combat effectiveness degrade rapidly in epic levels. I really have no clue why you added a third rogue level, especially as consecutive levels. As far as traps go, just possess the pixie and trigger all those that can't be disarmed (or summon a badger to spring them)  Damage taken in possessed form is insignficant doing it this way.

I didnt noticed there is rogue pre-epic, I replaced it with sorcerer now in order to not need to change feat at levels, but its not a bad choice to give it pre-epic.

Well I dumped also Lockpick, Disable Trap and few points into Set Trap and Search in order to replace need of pixie. This is also enviroment specific, pixie can't beat high DC, which I due to items like Amulet of the Master and Rogue Gloves can. And as I said I often needed to lockpick in combat. While I can use Greater Sanctuary and then unlock/untrap, pixie is beaten immediately in such situation.

Also, I wanted eyeball. Its imba, its daze ray cannot be resisted other way than immunity and its for hour really. Knockdown ray is good too.

BTW, the Greater Ruin epic is a matter of personal choice.  I don't use it myself but hear many do so left it there.

60-120 damage once per day is really bad for feat. I would never spent the feat for offensive epic spells, they are not useable in pvm which is my main focus.

Basically your build is not bad, you and me have the same levels, only feats differs due to enviroment. I would say my version is more pvm/solo friendly.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 06 novembre 2010 - 05:00 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_qaerinju]

               Why are you guys suggesting lvl 40 builds for SoU/HotU?



The first reply was the best one. Go pure. You won't be disappointed.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_HipMaestro]

               

qaerinju wrote...

Why are you guys suggesting lvl 40 builds for SoU/HotU?

The first reply was the best one. Go pure. You won't be disappointed.

That's one opinion, just not mine.  The OP's main question was in regards to what other classes would be beneficial to a sorc.  "None" surely qualifies for an answer albeit somewhat indescript.

The synergy of pally and the dump benefits of rogue is worth it IMO.  Just whack off the last 10-12 levels of the posted build and you have an effective HotU solo PC, just without the full monty of autostills (perhaps) and obviously without EMA and EW.  (I could have removed all the levels after 28 if I wanted, but what's the point?)
               
               

               

                     Modifié par HipMaestro, 06 novembre 2010 - 05:54 .