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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2010, 12:35:49 am »


               

KidMiracleman wrote...

so would it be ok for me to repost the new rebuild here or should I take it someplace else???

My opinion...

Just tack it onto this gem but I would change the topic title to include the class spread BRD 8/DwD 22/RDD 10 (or whatever it is, I can't figure out why the extra 2 RDD levels...edit: oh... I see Shia's clairvoyance paid off '<img'> ).

The Kamiryn output will give the attack, armor, saves... all that stuff.  I usually paste it into a Word file and massage a bit before posting but whatever floats your boat.

Edit: thanks, Eury '<img'>
               
               

               


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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2010, 12:39:45 am »


               I hate to point this out but, I don't think youve calculated the stat increases over the levels correctly. To go from 15 to 40 str will take all 10 stat increases, the maximum 7 Gt strs available and the 8 from RDD. Which leaves you zero to raise con from 18 (including RDD) to 22 and INT from 14 (inc RDD) to 16 and CHA from 13 (inc RDD) to 16! Oh, and lvls 26 and 27 should say DD, not RDD

See my earlier post and use kamiryn's spreadsheet. It'll get you more replies as it is the format everyone is used to and it stops us all making silly human mistakes with the wealth of numbers.

Have fun '<img'>

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Just realized that I did not point out that I would using a subclass of half blue dragon  that subclass gives you +3 str +2 con +2 int and +2 chrisma.  Does that make a difference??
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2010, 12:43:34 am »


               

KidMiracleman wrote...
Just realized that I did not point out that I would using a subclass of half blue dragon  that subclass gives you +3 str +2 con +2 int and +2 chrisma.  Does that make a difference??

omg

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2010, 12:53:57 am »


               

HipMaestro wrote...
Edit: thanks, Eury '<img'>

Or should you say CD? I can't believe I didn't read that signature before: 
"It's rogue, dammit, ROGUE!"
Why does any body never tell me anything! Am I always the lastest to know? Maybe because I'm always the last one to translate...

Nice to see you here... Eurypterid... if Eurypterid it is... ':bandit:' 
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2010, 12:55:50 am »


               extra 2 RDD levels??  you need 10 RDD levels for fire immunity
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2010, 01:28:44 am »


               

HipMaestro wrote...

KidMiracleman wrote...
Just realized that I did not point out that I would using a subclass of half blue dragon  that subclass gives you +3 str +2 con +2 int and +2 chrisma.  Does that make a difference??

omg

time to make supper:o


What's for supper HIp? I can bring a rioja a shiraz or a pinot grigio. ':whistle:'
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2010, 01:44:39 am »


               RACE: Dwarf

Sub Race Half Blue Dragon

ALIGNMENT:  Chaotic Good to start

PLAYABILITY:

STARTING STATS:

STR - 15
DEX - 13
CON - 16
WIS - 10
INT - 12
CHA - 11

ENDING STATS:

STR - 40
DEX - 13
CON - 22
WIS - 10
INT - 16
CHA - 15


LEVELING GUIDE:

1 (1) Bard Toughness
2 (2) Bard
3 (3) Bard curse song
4 (4) Bard constitution
5 (5) Bard lore 8
6 (6) Bard lingering song
7 (1) RDD
8 (2) RDD strength
9 (3) RDD dodge
10 (4) RDD change alignment to lawful good
11 (1) DD
12 (2) DD strength  weapon focus war hammer
13 (3) DD
14 (4) DD
15 (5) DD
16 (6) DD strength
17 (7) DD
18 (8) DD improved critical war hammer
19 (9) DD
20 (10) DD strength
21 (11) DD great strength
22 (5) RDD
23 (6) RDD
24 (7) RDD strength great strength
25 (8) RDD
26 (9) RDD
27 (10) RDD great strength change alignment to chaotic good
28 (7) bard strength put 10 skill point in perform tumble UMD discipline and concentration change alignment to lawful good
29 (12) DD
30 (13) DD great strength
31 (14) DD epic weapon focus war hammer
32 (15) DD strength
33 (16) DD Great strength
34 (17) DD
35 (18) DD Epic Prowess
36 (19) DD Strength Great Strength
37 (20) DD
38 (21) DD
39 (22) DD Great Strength Epic damage reduction change alignment to chaotic good
40 (8) Bard constitution Max out concentration Discipline
Tumble and use magic device
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2010, 02:43:45 am »


               

KidMiracleman wrote...

RACE: Dwarf

Sub Race Half Blue Dragon

ALIGNMENT:  Chaotic Good to start

PLAYABILITY:

STARTING STATS:

STR - 15
DEX - 13
CON - 16
WIS - 10
INT - 12
CHA - 11

ENDING STATS:

STR - 40
DEX - 13
CON - 22
WIS - 10
INT - 16
CHA - 15

As per above, if you only need 13, WHY take 15 charisma?  And even more puzzeling is, why end on an odd number?  Maybe DD does some crazy charisma based stuff on the pw that you have failed to mention.

LEVELING GUIDE:

1 (1) Bard Toughness
2 (2) Bard
3 (3) Bard curse song
4 (4) Bard constitution (17)
5 (5) Bard lore 8
6 (6) Bard lingering song
7 (1) RDD
8 (2) RDD strength(18)
9 (3) RDD dodge
10 (4) RDD change alignment to lawful good s(20)
11 (1) DD
12 (2) DD strength(21)  weapon focus war hammer
13 (3) DD
14 (4) DD
15 (5) DD [b} MISSING FEAT[/b]
16 s
17  ) DD
18 (8) DD improved critical war hammer
19 (9) DD
20 (10) DD strength(23)
21 (11) DD great strength(24)
22 (5) RDD
23 (6) RDD
24 (7) RDD strength great strength(26)
25 (8) RDD
26 (9) RDD
27 (10) RDD great strength change alignment to chaotic good(31)
28 (7) bard strength put 10 skill point in perform tumble UMD discipline and concentration change alignment to lawful good s(32)
29 (12) DD
30 (13) DD great strength(33)
31 (14) DD epic weapon focus war hammer
32 (15) DD strength(34)
33 (16) DD Great strength(35)
34 (17) DD
35 (18) DD Epic Prowess
36 (19) DD Strength Great Strength(37)
37 (20) DD
38 (21) DD
39 (22) DD Great Strength (38)Epic damage reduction change alignment to chaotic good
40 (8) Bard constitution Max out concentration Discipline  s (39) assume Str add here ?
Tumble and use magic device

Trying to get to your number on str...  maybe my math is incorrect.

KidMiracleman wrote...
Just realized that I did not point out that I would using a subclass of half blue dragon  that subclass gives you +3 str +2 con +2 int and +2 chrisma.  Does that make a difference??

I think, after about 10 posts to your idea, that you WONDER if it is important to mention this... it is beyond me.  I have been an active member of the ECB since 2004 and in all my days...
FIrst, when posting to a nwn forum, we ASSUME that you are using VANILLA nwn!  There are no subraces, for example.  SO YES, it makes a difference.
Then, when you show ONE con add, yet somehow magically get to 21 to qualify for EDR from 16, YES, it makes a difference!

You take 2 bard feats (curse and lingering song) yet only 8 lvls of bard....  I do not understand the investment in Con for 3/- dr?  If you are going for it, GO FOR IT!  There is little difference between 38 and 40 str (assume your numbers are correct), for 9/- DR.   To me, its like going for planar turning (which is one of the hardest feats in nwn to use effectively in a build cuz you end up KILLING your character for it) and then at lv 39 saying, NAH, i dont need Planar after all. 
A note on your skills, take tumble ONLY to 40.  More will do you no good.
I think im with the others on this.  What's for supper?  (if you get more help on THIS guy, consider yourself blessed as most of us dont like to have our time wasted...)
               
               

               


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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2010, 03:03:13 am »


               [/quote]
As per above, if you only need 13, WHY take 15 charisma?  And even more puzzeling is, why end on an odd number?  Maybe DD does some crazy charisma based stuff on the pw that you have failed to mention.

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can't be helped.  no way to get less than a 15 chrisma

A note on your skills, take tumble ONLY to 40.  More will do you no good.
I think im with the others on this.  What's for supper?  (if you get more help on THIS guy, consider yourself blessed as most of us dont like to have our time wasted...)


And you wonder why more people do not want to play.  Your attitude sucks.  You drive people away with your superiority.  If you do not want to help do not help.  I thank all who took the time to help me.  Sorry if you feel you have wasted your time I do not think you have since you have helped me out immensely. 
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2010, 04:36:35 am »


               Shia: Should have come to your house for supper.  All we had was Friday Stir-fry.  But I do recall a Cabernet Sauvignon that made the table '<img'>
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avado said... ...You take 2 bard feats (curse and lingering song) yet only 8 lvls of bard....

Blame that one on me, avado.  I figured with enough feats the OP may be able to get some use out of the 8 Bard levels other than just as dumps and getting enough lore.   I like Bard 16 DwD 14 myself, get the bonus feat, 9/- DR and sing a decent song.
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Okay, now where were we? ...

Here's a sample of a Character Build using the information you posted reorganized the best I can.

Kamiryn's Calculator doesn't allow subraces so you would need to do the math yourself to figure out the effects of the ability increases on AB, AC, Saves, HPs, Skillpoints, etc... etc.... etc.  I made a stab at inserting the subrace
information but got tired of it so the ball is now in your court.

Comments:

Your build skipped a feat at level 15 so I bumped up the one from level 18 and inserted KD (one of my favs) into the lvl 18 slot.  Choose what feat you like.

Unless you get taunted often where you play, I would ignore Concentration (you are not casting in combat, not with this build) and put all those points in Spellcraft in groups of 5 for the saves.  Or maybe split between SC, Tumb & UMD.  Curse Song should help take care of pesky taunters anyways.

As previously mentioned, make Perform = 15 for Bard lvl 8 and that is enough.

And if I have understood the effects of the subrace, you should be able to leave CHA at 9 to start (9+2+2=13).

To be honest, I believe the community on the server you intend to play would have better build tips when it comes to playing subraces.  At least this should get you used to analyzing the basics.  Maybe getting an honest-to-god build form posted here will help others make useful suggestions for you.  Then all you need to add are the Pros & Cons.

Cheerio!
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edit:  WTH is it with all the white space  and line breaks these boards put into unformatted pasted text?  Geez!
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Brd(8)-RDD(10)-DwD(22)

Race: Dwarf
Sub race: Half Blue Dragon

Abilities: Starting (Final)
STR: 15 [+3] = 18 (41)
DEX: 13 (13)
CON: 16 [+2] = 18 (22)
WIS: 10 (10)
INT: 12 [+2] = 14 (16)
CHA: 11 [+2] = 13 (15)

Hitpoints: 636 + 80? [+2 Con]
Skillpoints: 165 + 40? [+2 Int]
Saving Throws (F/W/R): 28/26/20
Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +2, Traps: +1, Poison: +2
BAB: 27
AB (max, naked): 45 (melee), 29 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 21/32
Spell Casting: Bard(3)
Alignment Changes: 4

Dwarf: (Darkvision, Defensive Training vs. Giants, Stonecunning, Hardiness vs. Poison, Hardiness vs. Spells, Offensive Training vs. Goblinoids, Offensive Training vs. Orcs, Skill Affinity: Lore)
Half Blue Dragon: [+3 str] [+2 con] [+2 int]  [+2 cha]

01: Bard(1): Toughness
02: Bard(2)
03: Bard(3): Curse Song
04: Bard(4): CON+1 (19)
05: Bard(5)
06: Bard(6): Lingering Song
07: RDD(1)
08: RDD(2): STR+1 (21)
09: RDD(3): Dodge
10: RDD(4): (STR=23)
11: DwD(1): {Defensive Stance}, *Alignment Change*
12: DwD(2): STR+1 (24) WF: Warhammer, {Def Awareness I}
13: DwD(3)
14: DwD(4)
15: DwD(5): Imp Crit: Warhammer
16: DwD(6): STR+1, (STR=25)
17: DwD(7)
18: DwD(8): KD
19: DwD(9)
20: DwD(10): STR+1 (26)
21: DwD(11): Great Str I (27)
22: RDD(5)
23: RDD(6)
24: RDD(7): STR+1(28) Great Str II (29) (CON=21)
25: RDD(8)
26: RDD(9): (INT=16)
27: RDD(10): Great Str III (34), (CHA=15)
28: Bard(7): STR+1 (35)  *Alignment Change*
29: DwD(12): *Alignment Change*
30: DwD(13): Great Str IV, (STR=36)
31: DwD(14): EWF: Warhammer
32: DwD(15): STR+1 (37)
33: DwD(16): Great Str V (38)
34: DwD(17)
35: DwD(18): Epic Prowess
36: DwD(19): STR+1 (39) Great Str VI (40)
37: DwD(20)
38: DwD(21)
39: DwD(22): Great Strength VII (41), EDR I
40: Bard(8): CON+1 (22) *Alignment Change*

Skills
01: Conc(4), Disc(4), Perform(4), Tumble(4), UMD(4)
02: Conc(1), Disc(1), Perform(1), Tumble(1), UMD(1)
03: Disc(1), Perform(1), Save(3)
04: Disc(1), Perform(1), Save(6)
05: Disc(1), Lore(8), Perform(1), Save(1)
06: Disc(1), Perform(1), Save(4)
07: Conc(5), Disc(1), Save(1)
08: Disc(1), Save(3)
09: Disc(1), Save(5)
10: Disc(1), Save(7)
11: Disc(1), Save(9)
12: Disc(1), Save(11)
13: Disc(1), Save(13)
14: Disc(1), Save(15)
15: Disc(1), Save(17)
16: Disc(1), Save(19)
17: Disc(1), Save(21)
18: Disc(1), Save(23)
19: Disc(1), Save(25)
20: Disc(1), Save(27)
21: Disc(1), Save(29)
22: Conc(10), Disc(1), Save(21)
23: Disc(1), Save(23)
24: Disc(1), Save(25)
25: Disc(1), Save(27)
26: Disc(1), Save(29)
27: Disc(1), Save(32)
28: Conc(1), Disc(1), Perform(6), Tumble(15), UMD(15)
29: Conc(1), Disc(1), Save(2)
30: Conc(1), Disc(1), Save(4)
31: Conc(1), Disc(1), Save(6)
32: Disc(1), Save(9)
33: Disc(1), Save(12)
34: Disc(1), Save(15)
35: Disc(1), Save(18)
36: Disc(1), Save(21)
37: Disc(1), Save(24)
38: Disc(1), Save(27)
39: Disc(1), Save(30)
40: Conc(10), Disc(1), Tumble(10), UMD(15)

Final: Conc 34(39), Disc 43(57), Lore 8(20), Perf 15(16), Tumb 30(31), UMD 35(36), Unused: 40
               
               

               


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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2010, 07:52:13 am »


               I have BBQ pork ribs corn on the cob and salad.  no wine though.  Sorry



Thank you very much for the build suggestion.  I love it thank you.  I did not know you got saves for having spellcraft.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2010, 02:03:17 pm »


               

KidMiracleman wrote...

Thank you very much for the build suggestion.  I love it thank you.  I did not know you got saves for having spellcraft.

Too bad Kamiryn's Calculator never adjusted for subraces or it would more handy to use.  And of course, one needs Excel installed on the machine to use it.  It's not all that tough to make the additional adjustments to what the spreadsheet produces for the subrace enhancements, but some of the perks (like the progression chart) won't be quite accurate. 

Now...to get recommendations from the true experts, the vets who have been building since the game's inception, the ECB regulars, you may be able to bleed their expertise if you provide the build EXACTLY in a form they can diagnose even with the subrace undertone.  Dunno.  Maybe. Depends on their mood, I guess:?

Anyways... it's all just for fun so enjoy your experience in any manner you like.

Spellcraft

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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2010, 11:58:07 pm »


               

KidMiracleman wrote...
And you wonder why more people do not want to play.  Your attitude sucks.  You drive people away with your superiority. 


LOL  Its been awhile since someone said that to me!  THANKS MAN!  Superior? no.  Just been around and discussed with people with WAY more experience than I ever hoped to have.  Been there, done that, got the tshirt is a huge understatement  '<img'>  But i dont have an ego, NOT I!!!  'Posted

Why do more people not play?  No idea!  I guess others arent as edumicated as we all are!! 

On a serious note, nwn does not need you, me, nor anyone to defend its honor!  Take a look at the community (oh wait!  THey destroyed that 'Posted )  and that is the best support anyone could ever give.  

My entire point was to give ALL possible info that you can give IF you ask for build advice.  Like i said, if you dont, we ASSUME you play normal nwn (which is totally reasonable in a nwn forum).   For future reference, the things that matter are any race changes and class changes.  Weapons, items, etc are not at all necessary as a build that is good with mundane gear will be better with gear. 

the 15 charisma is beyond me though.  You say its the minimum?  bard MUST have 11 at birth.  +2 subrace is 13.  You dont need to take 13 to start, but you WILL have 13 with the +2 from subrace.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2010, 01:18:56 am »


               

avado wrote...
the 15 charisma is beyond me though.  You say its the minimum?  bard MUST have 11 at birth.  +2 subrace is 13.  You dont need to take 13 to start, but you WILL have 13 with the +2 from subrace.

Yeah.  I got caught by this as well, avado.  Never tried playing a dwarven bard but assumed the -2 Cha racial would offset the bard starting Cha (to 9).  I see now that the class bias always takes precedence.  That means the dwarf has points automatically alloted to bring Cha up to that hard 11 level.  Seems like a waste of ability points but may explain why I never see mobs of dwarven bards running around.

Now apply that +2 Cha at RDD 10 to the starting 13 and, yes, the minimum for this build is 15.  A pity.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2010, 05:44:36 am »


               

HipMaestro wrote...

Now apply that +2 Cha at RDD 10 to the starting 13 and, yes, the minimum for this build is 15.  A pity.


AH right  the PRC curse  'Posted!  +2 race +2 rdd!  Its cuz the race is added AFTER creation  '<img'>  That has always been an issue with nwn PRC stuff.