Ban that no good dirty rat!

[Legacy_NWN DM]

               

Builder_Anthony wrote...

I still disagree with banning.Especially for just killing cows.What if that player really liked your server....

I doubt he'd have had the chance to find out. 
A random log-on into a labelled RP environment where there's absolutely no reason to do that, and ignoring about 10 minutes of DM Tells and attempts to curtail the behaviour.
But, like so many of these situations, it really is a judgement call, a lot of which depends on the circumstances.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_SHOVA]

               What truely amazes me is The amount of Banning double standard that takes place. Being banned for a reason, as from not following certain rules or, in most cases a lack of controling ones behavior, seams a huge suprise to the banned, and often a "that should not have happened" by the community, yet had the same reason been used, say to ban one from a web page forum, it is seen as perfectly acceptable. There are certain rules here for instance that if not followed will result in a ban. We all accept that as fine, even logical. Most of us do not push the limits of that, to see how far we can go, because We want to be here, and be allowed to continue contributing. Yet if in game, where rules are stated like they are here, and they are broken, sometimes repeatedly, bannings seams such a horendious thing to do to the one who can't follow the guidelines put in place.



Maybe it is just me, but If I took the time to build a PW, and host it, And even put a few things that I do not want done in it, and that I will ban the one who does those things, I expect either you agree to follow the rules and play, or to move on. if I have to stop, and deal with someone who is not, I will deal with them in the shortest amount of time possible. I do that by banning. I do that because if they are old enough to use a computer, and play a game, then they should be old enough to act like they want to be here in the first place. It is not my place to instruct players in behavior, that they should have learned in childhood. It is not my perogative to hold someones hand while they waste my, and everyone elses time to figure it out. Most NWN players are adults. Sometimes the anonymity of the internet takes away thier ability to act like it. Banning is a nice reminder that If you act like a bone head, we will treat you like one.



That being said, killing cows in game is not imho a reason to ban forever. Boot yes, ban till next reset sure.



               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Lightfoot8]

               I have only banned 2 players.  



One for misconduct.  (PG13 rule)



the other for brining in a haked character just to kill and  harass other players. It was his first and last time on the server.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Genisys]

               Anything for you Builder Anthony, I'm glad your still around mate, your a cool guy in my book. '>

Well the Sleep Wand is actually 3 parts (maybe 4 I think), so I could do a special little sample mod with an erf for you, but you will still need to merge the OnClientEnter event script with yours...

I'll post a link in a new thread for you...

It will be in the scripting forums mate..
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Genisys, 26 juillet 2010 - 03:20 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_SuperFly_2000]

               This was more like a problem in the early years of NWN gaming...when all the servers where full also. Both players and admins have mature theese days.

That "cow incident" described is probably what we could call a "bored players syndrome". Maybe not a permanent ban but at least some kind of punishment. Being directly disruptive towards other players is ofcourse a bigger problem.

A bigger problem than the players I think are the admins that do not understand their responsabilities. Like being fair and treating all players alike. I've seen far more oversteps on that side than from players being abusive. Usually this is nothing that you will hear about while a server is running..

To sum it all up....as I mentioned before...both players and admins have matured. It is a whole different ball-game now. Well....still maybe some server admins think they can act badly but most treat their players as "customers"....as it should be....
               
               

               

                     Modifié par SuperFly_2000, 26 juillet 2010 - 08:59 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Mordaedil]

               I've seen a lot of bans in my time, but I've only personally had to handle 3 bans, for 3 players remaking Naruto characters with basically the same names and acting pretty much in bad taste.



I've been banned from a server once because I refused to put up/participate with the hosts attempted rape on another character.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Jenna WSI]

               "I've been banned from a server once because I refused to put up/participate with the hosts attempted rape on another character."



Good for you.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_TSMDude]

               

Mordaedil wrote...
I've been banned from a server once because I refused to put up/participate with the hosts attempted rape on another character.

Aye...servers that allow this really annoy me. Yes there is social servers that do allow this. Yet I honestly think that unless the server itself says WE ARE RATED NC17 SERVER WITH CONTENT UNFIT FOR THOSE UNDER 18 then rape and torture should not be allowed. You can easily emote "Does Bad STuff to other PC* and leave it at that.

Cybering and such I actually feel the same way but not sure how many else do so will leave that alone.

And Shova, I dig very much what you wrote. When servers try to be all end all for everyone they lose thier flavor of being different and sooner or later a banning will have to happen because in the rush to get players some Admins allow anything from half drow naked naruto pcs who are sorc/monk/rdd combos and wonder what the heck happened.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy__six]

               

NWN DM wrote...

Killing cows for no good reason the instant you log-in on a RP campaign server

Memo to self: when working on next server, give all domestic animals 40 levels in monk. That'll teach 'em.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_SHOVA]

               Of course the level of banning has dropped in the last few years. It use to be almost a weekly thing to have to try and stop certain types from logging in to a server. My favorite way was to actualy go in and script the cdkey, and isp in the on enter script.  I actualy havent banned anyone in 3, 3 and half years, and that last one was for cybering on a teen server. Just goes to show that the level of maturity in behavior has in fact improved over the years as those who could not handle it, have moved on to where ever they go.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               Banning for killing cow just shows how bad are the module creators. As player I often trying such ridiculous actions just to see how they handled it. Mostly they didn't and will just ban you if you do it. However there are exceptions where guards will kill you in return and cows will be there again after some time.

Btw I was banned two times, once for PKing and bugging in "light" RP server, then on other server for making build which wasnt possible due to alignment shift (rdd/dd combo) and the way I did it - so they found out that I can do much more than that. However they canceled it as I made a script that disallowed anyone to do what I did before. Also once at forum, and Axe Murderer called on old forums for ban for me too .
               
               

               

                     Modifié par ShaDoOoW, 26 juillet 2010 - 09:09 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Onion Eater]

               Totally pro-ban.  If someone's comin' on to your server, and doing things you don't want them to do, then, even as a player, I'm all for locking the doors.  It's your world.  You get to decide how it's played.



That said, effort should certainly be made to reconcile with the player, lest, in the extreme, there be no more players willing to make the effort.  How much effort one wants to make is up to the individual, and likely, the situation.  Banning as a first reaction may be infantile (and likely have rather negative consequences for your world building plans), but watching as a disruptive player strings out an administration until the last nerve is frayed is far more frustrating than a game should ever be.



Do note that I'm only talking about banning from PWs, or other open MP play.  Public Forums (even if they're not entirely public) are a different matter.  Ya gotta do somethin' pretty messed up to get banned here.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Genisys]

               

_six wrote...

NWN DM wrote...

Killing cows for no good reason the instant you log-in on a RP campaign server

Memo to self: when working on next server, give all domestic animals 40 levels in monk. That'll teach 'em.

You know six, that's the exact attitude some Server Admins / Builders need, a solution...

Banning is only one way to handle the problem, but if you only put out the fire and don't look at what is causing the problem, then you will continue to put out fires all your life....

Temptation is the real problem, because it's tempting to slay cows just standing there taking up server resources. '>
(I hate placeable objects too.. '>

Of course, six has shown us a creative way of dealing with the problem, you will notice he didn't blow up, get mad, and just DM Slay the PC for being stOOpid, and yes  players (especially kids) can get pretty silly, believe me...
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_seventhslayer]

               

avado wrote...

6) Not everyone deserves a second chance!  But i do agree that personalities can sometimes get in the way and conflicts occur.  

1) Kail... you serious?   I think not knowing of Kail is a bannable for life offence!  LOL  '>  jk

lol

...but srsly...who's Kail? Sounds like some "epic troll." which makes me sigh of course, but doesn't make me not curious now that you've mentioned him.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shia Luck]

               Kail has been an institution at the Bioboards for years now. If he gives you character building advice, no matter how odd it might sound at first, you should listen. He is very rarely wrong.



Have fun '>