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Legacy_TimG

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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2012, 01:27:57 pm »


               A couple of points:
Can you make a recommendation of a hotter card?  This GT520 isn't worth sending back and I may not be able to get something else right away but it seems that you've got a good understanding of card tech.
This computer I am playing with is a "guest computer" for when friends come over to play on the LAN.  It won't see any more than occasional use so I can't really spend a lot of money on it.
Does it matter much that XP Pro is the operating system?  I find it works best with NWN compared to Win7.
I may play with the Catalyst control some to try to get the FPS back up to where it was before I updated the ATI drivers.
Lastly, does monitor screen size have a substantial effect on FPS?  The Dell with the PNY Quadro has a 24" monitor with a resolution of 1920 by something (1024 or 1400 or so?).  Even with the low framerate it still looks pretty good.  (these frame rates are all from new mods with lots of custom content, load up vanilla NWN and the frame rates are very high)
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Gorath Alpha

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2012, 03:49:49 pm »


               Think about the difference in workload.  A low end graphics card with low core speed, low RAM speed, and narrow memory bandwidth can handle the old 1024 by 768 resolution with reasonably good results (Low Resolution), but even bumping to only 1280 by 1024 kills their frame rates because the pixel count is so much higher.  You are now asking about HIGH resolution with millions of pixels, so of course even a Medium graphics card will be challenged.  

You do not want to match the skinny enclosure, with its terrible airflow, to a graphics card that can drive a High Resolution display to its best effect -- it will die of a heat stroke.  Replacement cases are cheap compared to cards, and the real truth is that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to swap the guts out of one case and into another.  

When DA: O was brand new, there were thousands of new members asking questions about graphics cards.  That forum is about as dead as this one is now.  But here are some useful URLs of articles I wrote then:  

PC Hardware* (4 pgs) Basics for Gaming (and inventory of Components):
http://social.biowar...58/index/509580

Getting the most value out of the Graphics Budget dollar (DAO)
http://social.biowar...8/index/7196223

Video Card Shader Performance Rankings* 10 pgs (DA: O):
http://social.biowar...58/index/128343

Generation Ladders* 2 pgs(and NTK-based shaders ranking list-"old" class markers)
http://social.biowar...58/index/575571

Very basic discussion* (2 pgs) of video cards, video chips, PhysX, and even of laptops' limits:  
http://social.biowar...58/index/519461
               
               

               
            

Legacy_TimG

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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2012, 08:27:02 pm »


               Thanks for the extra information.  There's a lot there to take in. I shall begin study once I get home from work.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2012, 10:01:12 pm »


               My graphics card      social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/187/index/8438805
               
               

               


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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2012, 01:43:10 am »


               Something else I didn't see mentioned is that ATI has pretty much always had problems with shiny water on NWN. Not sure exactly what it is about that feature, but it's never worked well on any of the various ATI's I've used over the years (ranging from a 9250 to my current 4890). The effects on gameplay may vary from crashing in certain areas to minor artifacting.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2012, 01:55:32 am »


               

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Artas1984 wrote...

Phenom II X6 processor
8 Gb DDR3 in quad DIMM dual channel
Gigabyte 890GX motherboard
integrated AMD HD4290 with 128 Mb DDR3 side port memory (not shared)
1600x1200 resolution monitor
Windows 7 64 bit

Observations:

1) 1.68 would not even start
2) 1.69 freezes from time to time
3) sometimes game saves are deleted after crash
4) game is laggy on higher settings..

The 4290 is exremely weak sauce, even among chipset video chips.  You really need the add-on graphics card, something like an HD 7770.  That display is just MILES beyond what any onboard chip  is able to cope with.  Remember, when NWN was new, the high end displays were today's mediums. 



I'd also like to point out that when NWN was new, it ran adequately on 16mb gpu's. High-end back then was more like today's bargain on-board GPUs, but the driver support isn't there for them. I occassionally ran it on a 16mb Diamond Viper V550 (admittedly a gaming card of the late 90s) until mid-2004, when Hordes of the Underdark came out and required a newer shader model. 1.68 did raise the system requirements again with the content added from the Wyvern Crown of Cormyr premium module.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2012, 01:34:06 pm »


               I ran the game on a TNT2 card with 32 MBs of SDRAM at first, then I paid what was a fortune to me at the time to get a GF3, Ti-200, with 64 MBs of DDR RAM, after SoU came on the scene.  But I was running at 1152 by 964 resolution, which is today's Medium pixel count, at the old 4:3 screen shape.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2012, 10:56:04 pm »


               I didn't want you to think I'd abandoned this thread but we've had massive computer issues at work and it is taking all my time.  I will get back to this as soon as I can.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_JironGhrad

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2012, 03:09:42 pm »


               Yeah, my V550 was a TNT (v1). I ran it mainly on a GeForce 2 Ultra 64mb until around 2007 when the shader requirements went up again. I see what you mean by medium pixel count, I typically ran it at 1280x960 myself until I stepped up to a widescreen LCD.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2012, 05:57:12 pm »


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Wish it wouldnt be so choppy.     The lag spikes make it not worth it for me.  Wish i could resolve this.. . its like when im in game theres a program trying to open in the backround and its like flashin in a little...    '<img'>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2012, 01:01:59 am »


               Asus Essentio
Intel i7-2600 cpu @ 3.4ghz (8 cpu's)
8192 mb ram
Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 2 (2 gig vram, 4 gig shared)
1920x1200 resolution
917gb HD

Runs Very Smooth, over 500 fps holding still in low placeable areas.
averages 63-128 fps in active combat/creature/placeable areas.  


I love this machine!
               
               

               
            

Legacy_SuperFly_2000

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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2012, 04:38:53 am »


               Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
Processor: Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3,40GHz (8 CPU's)
Memory: 12 GB RAM (DDR3)
Hard Drive: 3 TB Total (7200 rpm)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti
Monitor: Samsung S27A550H 27" FullHD LED
Sound Card: IDT High Definition Audio
Speakers/Headphones: Logitech 5:1 / Plantronics GameCom 377
Keyboard: MS Sidewinder X6
Mouse: MS Sidewinder X3
Mouse Surface: Func 1030
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_rtm.101119-1850)
Motherboard: 
Computer Case: HP Pavillion HPE


I don't like laptops (if I can avoid using them) so this is a desktop computer. I am lazy and have an obsession of wanting things to work 'Posted so I prefer ready built computers like this one. If it doesn't work...just "return to sender" 'Posted

It works like a charm for NWN...at least after the update of the graphics card driver...and any other game I've run so far like Battlefield 3.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Tim.G

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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2012, 07:57:16 pm »


               A few things to note long after the fact.  I put that GT520 card in my Mom's I5 Systemax system so my niece could play NWN when visiting "Grandma".  It did much better in a Win7 environment, really a shocking difference.  The GT430 I had such high hopes for never really worked in any PC I put it in.  Might just be a defective card.  The thing that actually brings me back to this old topic today is that Tiger Direct and NewEgg both have EVGA 9800 GT cards available again (about $60).  I got a pair of these and put one in a piece of crap HP WinXP unit (2.50 GHZ, 3 gig RAM) and it is giving me 50 fps with current custom content.  I am really surprised at how much difference that card made.  Whilst kicking about I saw that NewEgg has refurbished EVGA GTX280's back in for about $100.00.  I went ahead and ordered one just to see how it does.
That crappy HP outperforms the much faster processor Dell (3.4 GHZ, same RAM) by a fair amount and I am pretty sure its the card.  I am awfully happy with the "old school goodness" of the 9800GT playing NWN.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2012, 08:41:58 pm »


               Before scrolling up to look for any prior posts you may have written, it seems best to add a warning about drivers.  Officially, the Geforce 8nnn and 9nnn are not yet "Legacy" parts not being supported.  Unofficially, support in current drivers is very poor for cards any older than the GT200 series; the 9800 and many games that are older than a couple of years simply won't work at all well with most newer drivers.  

TimG wrote...

I have several PC's with NWN loaded. The best performers I have are 9800GT Zotacs (in two units, one Win7 Systemax w I7 processor and one HP with XP Pro). On stats the HP ought to be a dog and it is blazing fast. The two Dells are both better processors and more RAM but are much lower FPS. They have PNY Quadro cards 512mb each. I just orded a Zotac GT520 and a PNY GT430 to try. One Dell has a 1gb ATI 5450 (I think)? and it runs good FPS but can't handle shiny water.

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Quadros aren't for games, but neither is a GT 520. I don't think the 520 is nearly as powerful as an HD 5450, and the 5450 is pretty weak sauce. The 430 should be better than either the HD 5450 or the 520 (here is a comparison in which the 430 appears to be TWICE as good as the 520).

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php.

IMO, the HD 5450 is poor, while the GT 520 is worse, although not a *LOT* worse (because the Geforce drivers support OpenGL more completely).  Neither one is intended for game playing, but NWN is *quite* old by now, so all of them should be just fine, if the drivers will support OpenGL functions. 
 

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Wish it wouldnt be so choppy. The lag spikes make it not worth it for me. Wish i could resolve this.. . its like when im in game theres a program trying to open in the backround and its like flashin in a little... '<img'>

Radeons generally are very poor in either KotOR or in NWN1, because they do not offer full support for OpenGL.  Older Radeons work much better in the game than newer ones, especially the X1nnn series, like the truly gigantic Radeon X1950XTP I looked at in its box here yesterday.  It seemed to weigh about ten pounds.   The PC it was actually used in has been totally rebuilt, with nothing in that case the same as five years ago, when that one was still comparatively current (released late in 2006). 

I started the OC with a 32 MB TNT2 video card, upgraded to a Geforce3 Ti200 for the expansions, and replaced that with a Geforce FX 5700 (bad exchange there).  Periodically, I look at old games I may want to play again, clear off a space in my building area (spare bedroom mostly used for storage), and reassemble old parts in an old enclosure, test, and if it works, install the old game in question.  Then, I give the PC a name, attach a label with that name and a game name, and stick it on a sturdy steel shelving unit as a reserve machine. 

When the current games are no going to be played here because of things such as requiring Steam, or requiring any similar trash, such as Origin, I have to wait on the next Code Red game instead, and set down the up to date gamer system.  Only then do I have a place to actually play an older game, using one of the Oldie PCs from the storage shelves. 


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Legacy_Tim.G

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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2012, 02:09:08 pm »


               I have had pretty good luck with the Nvidia drivers for the 9800GT and the Quadro380.  They haven't gotten worse with the newer dowloads.  The same driver release that cured the Fermi cards seemed to boost the performance of what I have been using, too.
The "Elephant in the room" is the upcoming Windows 8 release which is why I am buying everything I can afford right now because I think in a year from now keeping NWN running will be getting a lot harder.  It is really a shame that ATI couldn't update their OpenGL like Nvidia did as I think thye have some good cards.