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Legacy_henesua

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« Reply #240 on: March 30, 2013, 12:14:12 am »


               I see what you mean. Its about the review participation more than the building participation. I don't however see that that was a problem this March. I think the result was just less builders in March while the rest were occupied with reviewing each other's work. I thought that went well.

Also, speaking for myself, I only reviewed at the start of March because I was busy doing other (non-NWN) things, in addition to writing some code on request (the seamless area transitions). My review time doesn't interfere with my module making time. I only have two saturdays a month to build an entry (which would be enough if i wasn't such a damn perfectionist) due to my schedule. But I can typically give 30 minutes of otherwise non-productive time to play a module on any night of the week.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Tarot Redhand

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« Reply #241 on: March 30, 2013, 01:16:26 am »


               Alas henesua you misunderstood. I'll try to expand on what I was saying. It is not about download count. With me it is a matter of pride that I have never, ever, ever, ever knowingly released something that I considered to be in an unfinished state. While I am willing to do so via an ABC vault page (or elsewhere of your choosing under the auspices of the ABC), I will not do so under my own alias. I wasn't asking you to keep updating things as updates become available, just to host the first blush of a module as it were.

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« Reply #242 on: March 30, 2013, 05:42:02 am »


               

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...BUT since it is clear that we are not able to produce enough polished works in one month to have a monthly player's review, I am officially dropping that requirement.


I do not know if we should give up entirely on getting more interest from players than has hitherto been evident, but to do that we will need to produce better final products (which to be sure your current suggestions promise to do), since as said before most players are not going to want to play stuff that is half-finished and hopelessly buggy. The modules do not have to be perfectly polished masterpieces, but they do need to be fun to play. It would also not hurt to advertise the ABC to players a bit more (most of your promotional efforts to date - at least that I am aware of - have been more focused on builders). Perhaps include a bit more hype on the Vault Page, stuff like "Check out the NWN Game Jam!" or "It's not just demos anymore. See some of the latest NWN CC being used in actual adventures!" (those might be a little over the top, but you get the idea).

henesua wrote...

With regards to how we distribute the modules for builder review, I am open to suggestions. I like the idea of builders creating their own vault pages for their modules, and then linking to them from the ABC page.


I am not that enthusiastic about encouraging the creation of a mass of individual entries, for reasons I brought up in a post on page 7 of this thread. To reiterate and summarize, I think it might be a little unfair to authors making normal module submissions, who might now risk getting lost amidst the raft of ABC stuff and thus overlooked, and some people might actually prefer (as for example Tarot Redhand apparently does) having their work released in a context where expectations are not going to be raised too high. This of course is not to say that any authors who particularly want to link from another page should not be accomodated, just that I doubt this should be assumed to be the norm.

As for suggestions, here's one (the following assumes we do what you suggest about having one set of people building modules while another set is reviewing, which I am not convinced is ideal, but it is just one suggestion anyway):

1) The intial versions of the modules are submitted, and then released on a vault page as a consolidated entry that is clearly marked as beta, and meant for review and revision. They can be readily downloaded, played and reviewed by the other builders. Any random players surfing the vault who take an interest can participate in this as well, if they so desire.

2) At the end of the review month, that vault page will updated (rather than cluttering the vault with endless entries) with the revised versions of the modules, and a revised description removing the warnings about it being beta, etc.

3) At the same time as that update, the vault page for the beta versions for the following month will be uploaded. That might simplify the uploading logistics, and simultaneously call both stages of the process to people's attention so they can see how the system works and what to expect. And the ABC will for the moment top both the list of new and the list of updated modules, which is not a bad start on the advertising front.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_henesua

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« Reply #243 on: April 01, 2013, 12:47:26 am »


               **********ANNOUNCEMENTS*********

The March Adventure Building Challenge is complete.

Completion Prize Winners:
  • PLUSH HYENA of DOOM
  • jackkel dragon
  • CaveGnome


The Builder's Review has now begun
The Builder's Review will run until the end of the April in which participants have the opportunity to get feedback on their work and make improvements. If you are interested in trying out March's submissions head on over to the vault, download the modules, play, and then join the discussion in the March Thread.

Anyone still wishing to submit to March's challenge is welcome as we still have Honorable Mention prizes left that we would like to hand out. All polished works submitted prior to the end of April for this cycle will be announced to the community's players.

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Legacy_henesua

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« Reply #244 on: April 11, 2013, 12:30:59 am »


               I'm going to be moving the Adventure Building Challenges to the Neverwinter Nexus soon.

I encourage participants and sponsors to do the same with their content.

Consider this an informal prodding to get people to put their content up in more places. I'll issue you a formal announcement when this project gets underway.

In the meantime - where is the action this April? Not much going on in the April Thread for the ABC. I know there are people who want to participate. Let us know what you are doing.
               
               

               


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« Reply #245 on: April 11, 2013, 03:03:28 am »


               

henesua wrote...

I'm going to be moving the Adventure Building Challenges to the Neverwinter Nexus soon...


Do you mean in addition to the Vault, or instead of the Vault? Because in the latter case I do not see the advantage. Most NWN players, as far as I can make out, do not pay much attention to any site other than the Vault (or possibly their own private project sites), so making some other site the main venue would seem rather counter-productive in terms of advertising the Challenge.

henesua wrote...
In the meantime - where is the action this April? Not much going on in the April Thread for the ABC. I know there are people who want to participate. Let us know what you are doing.


One hopes they are so busy working on something that they have no time to post.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #246 on: April 11, 2013, 05:35:24 am »


               

rogueknight333 wrote...
Do you mean in addition to the Vault, or instead of the Vault? Because in the latter case I do not see the advantage. Most NWN players, as far as I can make out, do not pay much attention to any site other than the Vault (or possibly their own private project sites), so making some other site the main venue would seem rather counter-productive in terms of advertising the Challenge.


The NWVault's days are numbered. We should preserve our works in places that will out last it.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Tarot Redhand

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« Reply #247 on: April 11, 2013, 10:18:50 am »


               Everything's days are numbered, it's a case of knowing when the last one is to be counted. While the vault is at times flakey due to age there are annoyances with the nexus due to design. I will make my decisions when I have to and not before. If you are moving the ABC to the nexus I wish you well but will not be joining you, at least yet (and hopefully not for a long time) .

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« Reply #248 on: April 11, 2013, 02:59:00 pm »


               <deliberately being...>

Let's just say I endorse redundancy.
And I'm going hammer and tongs on the VPP...

<...coy>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #249 on: April 13, 2013, 02:33:36 am »


               I don't think anyone uploads anything to the NWN 1 nexus.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

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« Reply #250 on: April 13, 2013, 07:22:27 am »


               We all know there are less of us than there used to be.
 
I also know that I, for one, have had all sorts of intentions for uploading things to the Vault but, being so stupidly determined to produce perfect screenshots and make sure everything looks nice, I never quite find the time. Very silly. Occasionally one questions if there's any point given the small amount of comments/votes/reaction that generally greet most entries though the far greater download counts suggest a different story even now...

Anyway, I find myself wondering about this talk of the Vault's days being numbered, (inevitably true since nothing lasts forever) It must be considered disturbing. I'm by no means the most prolific author on the Vault but the thought of resubmitting every entry I've done to some other site is, frankly, not appealing and I'm sure others feel likewise. More to the point are all those NWN CC creators who are no longer active for an assortment of reasons. What of their stuff? As an archive for NWN CC, I just don't think the Vault can ever be replaced, not unless some other site can bundle up its entire content and workably replicate it. 

So, are we to take this comment about the Vault as a vague assumption or reliably informed knowledge?
If the latter, how large or small are the numbers concerned? We need some kind of countdown apparatus if they're small. Preferably with comedic sound effects that sound like crazed raccoons.

(PS:- I never even HEARD of the NWN Nexus... Should this be considered a failing on its behalf or mine?)
               
               

               


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« Reply #251 on: April 13, 2013, 07:53:06 am »


               NWN nexus is like TES Nexus.
link: http://neverwinter.nexusmods.com/
The categories for submissions: http://neverwinter.n...ods/categories/
the NWN 1 submissions for hakpaks and modules are 22 and 13 respectively. The last module submission was on the 25th of December. The last Hakpak submission was on the 11th of December 2012. Interestingly though, the last time the sounds category had a submission was apparently the 1st of January 1970.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_PLUSH HYENA of DOOM

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« Reply #252 on: April 13, 2013, 09:04:40 am »


               That is interesting. I shall investigate the possibilities of transtemporal submissions at once!
It means I can work on my Doctor Who modules over the course of the next thirty years and then submit them to the internet the day after NWN came into existence and lo, will everybody be most impressed.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #253 on: April 13, 2013, 10:25:57 am »


               @PLUSH HYENA of DOOM, ask Rolo about the vpp.

Re. nwn nexus. I mentioned in my earlier post that it has some design features that are incredibly annoying. I'll give an example (while the responses that I assign the nexus may not be word for word, the sense of those responses is accurate).

I downloaded something from there and thought to give encouragement to the author. Tried to vote. Nexus response - "you must be logged in to vote". Ooops, my bad. This is standard procedure so

Vault 0 Nexus 0

Logged in and tried to vote. Nexus response - "you have not downloaded the file therefore you cannot vote"

Vault 1 Nexus 0

Re-downloaded file, this time while logged in. Tried to vote. Nexus response - "You must have had the file in your possesion for at least an hour before you can cast a vote"

Vault 2 Nexus 0

Catch 22 or what? Gave up and pm'd author on here apologising for non public acclaim.

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« Reply #254 on: April 13, 2013, 10:36:32 am »


               You need to have an account to download files over 2mb don't you?