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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2010, 09:22:05 pm »


               

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If you think that I am troll because of voting like this, then you would be nothing better if you would voted to compensate my vote.


True, my point exactly. '<img'>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2010, 11:40:48 pm »


               

ShaDoOoW wrote...
If you think that I am troll because of voting like this, then you would be nothing better if you would voted to compensate my vote. Anyway, I would "normally" voted like 3 or 4 points.

Well, I was using the term loosely, but that is NOT how the site is supposed to work. You're supposed to vote, not meta-vote. Granted, their rating system is broken, but there's no reason to break it further.

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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2010, 11:47:07 pm »


               This is better than watching General Hospital with my wife '<img'>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2010, 12:44:40 am »


               

Pstemarie wrote...

This is better than watching General Hospital with my wife '<img'>


I agree xD
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2010, 06:46:05 am »


               

Xenovant wrote...

Pstemarie wrote...

This is better than watching General Hospital with my wife '<img'>


I agree xD


*thinks about selling tickets to the "troll vs. lizard" fight*
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2010, 07:47:37 am »


               Are the trolls and lizards fighting in mud....and scantily clad '<img'>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2010, 02:22:55 pm »


               

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Well, I was using the term loosely, but that is NOT how the site is supposed to work. You're supposed to vote, not meta-vote. Granted, their rating system is broken, but there's no reason to break it further.


What he said. The system is supposed to be that you get one vote expressing your honest opinion on the work.

I received one of these "troll compensation 10 votes" once. I contacted the Vault admins and had it removed. The presumptuousness of it made me very angry. IMO the last thing that an honest builder wants is dishonest feedback on his work, whatever the motivation.
               
               

               


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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2010, 02:52:43 pm »


               

AndarianTD wrote...

FunkySwerve wrote...

Well, I was using the term loosely, but that is NOT how the site is supposed to work. You're supposed to vote, not meta-vote. Granted, their rating system is broken, but there's no reason to break it further.


What he said. The system is supposed to be that you get one vote expressing your honest opinion on the work.

I received one of these "troll compensation 10 votes" once. I contacted the Vault admins and had it removed. The presumptuousness of it made me very angry. IMO the last thing that an honest builder wants is dishonest feedback on his work, whatever the motivation.

Strange thing is that whenever you get rating of 1 you are very mad and mark this as trolling. But you do not mind that dozens of peoples voted with the rule "screenshots looks good, I like it therefore 10". I won't name but one particular man here gets always at least ten votes from the players of his PW who does that only to support him. Thats exactly the same.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2010, 03:11:55 pm »


               

Xenovant wrote...

Pstemarie wrote...

This is better than watching General Hospital with my wife '<img'>


I agree xD

  how do you know about  watching General Hospital with HIS wife  '<img'> '<img'>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2010, 03:52:57 pm »


               

ShaDoOoW wrote...
Strange thing is that whenever you get rating of 1 you are very mad and mark this as trolling. But you do not mind that dozens of peoples voted with the rule "screenshots looks good, I like it therefore 10". I won't name but one particular man here gets always at least ten votes from the players of his PW who does that only to support him. Thats exactly the same.


Well, I guess we can all agree that not every vote given on the Vault is honest and justified but two wrongs don't make a right. We can't control what other people are thinking and doing, so the only thing we can do is set a good example, be honest and just ourselves and try to not fall into the same trap.

Btw, who said a vote of 1 is always marked as trolling and all authors would get very angry at it? It's the circumstances that count. But you should also keep in mind that everything at the Vault is for free and that people invested time in their creations without getting paid for it. I think there actually is a difference between giving someone more praise than they might objectively deserve and bashing someone for something they created and decided to share. To most authors constructive feedback is more valuable than votes anyway, so if you give something a bad vote, at least explain in detail why and what the authors could do to improve their work. And if you think someone is only out for votes and there's a conspiracy going on with the goal of making their scandalous module the top-rated, you should inform the admininstrators instead of trying to take matters into your own hand. 

In the example you mentioned, were those voters actually players of the PW or just people who looked at the screenshots? If they were players how would you know they only knew the content from looking at the screenshots? And what is so wrong with people supporting each other? A detailed and objective comment about why you think the content isn't all that good does a lot more to counteract inappropriate ratings than just a low vote.


garahir wrote...
  how do you know about  watching General Hospital with HIS wife  '<img'> '<img'>

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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2010, 03:56:50 pm »


               

olivier leroux wrote...

Well, I guess we can all agree that not every vote given on the Vault is honest and justified but two wrongs don't make a right. We can't control what other people are thinking and doing, so the only thing we can do is set a good example, be honest and just ourselves and try to not fall into the same trap.

ok, i can agree with that

for the rest of your post, i think that mentioning that Im vault contributor too is enough
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2010, 04:02:54 pm »


               

ShaDoOoW wrote...
for the rest of your post, i think that mentioning that Im vault contributor too is enough

Perfect, then you'd have even have good opportunities to discuss matters with the rest of the staff, I guess. '<img'>
               
               

               


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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2010, 08:04:49 pm »


               

garahir wrote...

Xenovant wrote...

Pstemarie wrote...

This is better than watching General Hospital with my wife '<img'>


I agree xD

  how do you know about  watching General Hospital with HIS wife  '<img'> '<img'>



 My post may be misinterpreted that way, but that's not what I meant  '<img'>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2010, 10:40:24 pm »


               

Elton John is dead wrote...

Fester Pot wrote...

Don't bother downloading unless you want fire to send to the Admins of the Vault to let them know of the graphic, sodomy module they are. It seems to stem from a few bad builders or one builder who was not happy with low votes for their module.

You can read all about it here in the first three threads.

Wish I knew what module they're talking about. A link in the first thread goes here where the comments that started all of this seem to be from on the Vault and from what I gather reading the above threads, it's a module made by a The-Holy-One but there is no such user on the NWN Module side of the Vault, so I can't find the damn thing. I want to download and play it to see what all the fuss is about.

Drama, drama, drama, even after 7 years. '<img'>

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The-Holy-One had his modules voted down by trolls. He reported them and they were banned:

http://vnboards.ign....114068472/p1/?1

Edit:

I just checked the module titled "The End" that was made by the trolls and I am most certainly not downloading it after I saw Loghain in bed with King Calian. 


Umm... The End is being kept up to date by Differ, who has an account name on the Vault as Differently. This Differently gave a perfect 10.0 vote to this very module which snapple, llollerbye and karsh kale, along with jeeperscreepers gave a 1.0 to 3.0 scale vote for.

If you reference the vault forum and read this thread, you can find another module that was uploaded under The End.

And in that thread, the jeeperscreapers account makes a post about a new module to download (target file Save As: Urgortath_the_great_escape_from_dungeon_slax.mod), which can also be found as a module under The End's entries. This makes jeeperscreapers either the same person or a friend of Differently who gave the perfect vote on THIS module. For this module, If you scroll down, although the comments have been disabled, you can still view them.

At the bottom of the page, it reads - "Click this Link to post your comments in the author's forum".

One can easily view the perfect 10 vote by this Differently account. Click their name, followed by view users's submissions and you'll see they are the true author and caretaker of The End and all entries within.

One can also find the votes and comments of players relating to this particular module, including those low votes, along with an Adam Miller account, who also gave a perfect 10 vote for, which this entire thread is about and who also uploaded an individual module that was removed by the admin of the Vault (called The_Snapple) but can now be found under The End's module entry.

This would also mean that the Adam Miller account is a fake and possibly a friend or the same user as Differently. The individual module by the fake Adam Miller account was removed by the Admin of the Vault YET it is magically avaialble under The End. So either Differently downloaded the module before it was removed by the Admin and appeneded it to The End OR they had it all along. Doesn't matter at this point. Either it's the same user or a friend and the end result is the same - a module that was removed is still available under a different entry and in a funny twist, uploaded on the very same day.

So... how did I find the module in question? When you view the vote page, the second vote references a LINK (it's made by a user account called OneOone) to a page off the Vault to a module series called The Mystic Journey. Doing a search of this very name on the Vault returns the following modules -

The Mystic Journey - Armon's Tale
The Mystic Journey - Ravid's Tale
The Mystic Journey - Ubadah's Tale

When the vote page is loaded, you'll notice an &id tag in the URL which is "&id=6209"

When you load a module page, it uses this same id reference number. Out of all three modules, it is Ubadah's Tale that has a matching "&id=6209" number.

This would be the module in question that has caused the modules under The End to be created, in my opinion, to target the members of the community who gave low 1.0 to 3.0 votes on a module where the author may have expected higher votes for their time, effort and story telling.

To me, it's this Differently/Differ character who voted a perfect 10 on the module that's the true troll for continued uploading of modules under The End, which are just conversational rape modules of those playing the game. I suppose there's nothing wrong with that except they're attempting to pass it off as members of the community who voted low on a module, let alone attempt to pass them off as an Adam Miller module when anyone who has been in the community know it is not his true account name on the Vault.

Obviously someone is a little sour at the low votes they received and has made retalitory modules now listed under The End.

Perhaps at this point, it might be best for the author of the module to contact the Admin of the Vault and ask for the 1.0 votes to be removed or to be expanded on. In the years I've experienced in the community, most 1.0 votes with no stake in WHY it's voted so low don't stick, unless of course the voter in question can give detailed reasons as to why they did not like the module to help the author make their module better. In the case of the 3.0 vote, I personally don't see anything wrong with it as it does go into detail.Every author should attempt a dialog with the voter to better understand their point of view as well as make suggested improvements to the module as a whole.

That's my take on it based on the posts and links I've come across and followed for the past two days.

Thanks to the OP for bringing this to our attention. We builders need to stick together and for the Adam Miller module - it's a fake. I'm surprised you even needed to ask. Shame on you! ':wizard:'

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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2010, 03:21:02 am »


               All these shenanigans are messing up my lists, which I just revised. I went to put in five different modules and they no longer appear at the addresses I have marked. I probably have a bunch of modules on my list that are Not Approved and don't know it.