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Legacy_Dekinais

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« on: December 10, 2013, 06:07:27 pm »


               I finished the official campaign and I have some questions. How powerful was Morag? For the Wailing Death could not be healed by clerics, this means that the gods were powerless? I find this hard to believe. I do not think that Morag was equal to or more powerful than Kelemvor, for example.

The gods would not be allowed to Morag to succeed, for a simple reason: they need believers. If the believers die or are enslaved, the gods will be much weakened. What is unacceptable. Is that correct?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2013, 07:30:06 pm »


               Morag's magic is in essence that of the dragons, rather than that of the deities (indirect rather than direct).  The gods were probably not powerless, but could perhaps raise up followers amongst the lizardfolk just as easily as from the humans.  No god was directly under attack,  rather this was a feud between two different sentient races.  As the lizardfolk had their own clerics, it is hard to speculate that any deity would have lost a following.  Rather, the humans would become slaves (not eliminated) and worship would continue.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Urk

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 04:27:22 am »


               Perhaps "the Gods" are not Gods at all. Perhaps they are just super powerful long lived beings that can project power in ways that seem like magic to us mere mortals and they share that power and present as Gods because of their need for worship.

While they are awesome in their power and presence they are clearly NOT God-like in many ways. They are not all-powerful. They are not all-knowing, and they are clearly flawed in very human ways.

They can be killed.

Clearly, there are limits to their power.

So why didn't they intervene?

It doesn't matter. Maybe they couldn't. Maybe they didn't want to.

Perhaps their magic isn't stronger or weaker than one another's. Perhaps it's just different. Incompatible. Perhaps power from their alternating current plane can't affect spells based in Morag's direct current plane.

Or... perhaps not. In the end it doesn't matter. All that matters is, for whatever reason, the Gods chose not to get involved.

The point is that what you seem to see as an inconsistency isn't really one. If you are prepared to accept Faerun as a setting this one little thing certainly shouldn't shake your suspension of disbelief.

Don't look at it as an inconsistency. It's just another mystery.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_metatheurgist

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2013, 10:31:17 am »


               Gods aren't all powerful in Faerun. There is the overgod Ao and he reports to a supreme being. I suspect this is a dodge to get around Christian objections to D&D.

In the Forgotten realms the gods compete for worship and they have all sorts of nonsensical rules about when and where they can intervene. I assume this was one of those occasions. The lizard races also have their own gods after all, so I assume mortals were their instruments in the battle.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Dekinais

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2013, 03:15:27 pm »


               Thanks for the answers. I came to the conclusion that the whole progress of events was a plot of the lizardfolk's gods against the human gods, and Morag was their tool.
One element that suggests this is the conversation in the tower of Luskan, between Aribeth and Maugrim. Maugrim asks if she renounces her "false god". This implies that the enslavement of the people include the prohibition of worship the human gods. And this obviously leads to a significant weakening of the human gods.
Is this plausible?
               
               

               
            

Legacy_MagicalMaster

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2013, 04:43:26 pm »


               I think you're overthinking it.  It's simply a type of magic that's unaffected by standard divine magic that clerics wield -- which is different than saying the gods themselves couldn't cure it if they visited in avatar form.

In that vein, the gods usually don't interfere directly in the affairs of mortals -- they let their respective agents handle things.  In this case it was us versus Morag, winner take all.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_WhiZard

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2013, 10:03:29 pm »


               

Dekinais wrote...
One element that suggests this is the conversation in the tower of Luskan, between Aribeth and Maugrim. Maugrim asks if she renounces her "false god".


Not to give any spoilers, but the Hordes of the Underdark takes the notion of Aribeth's "false god" in an unexpected twist.
               
               

               


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Legacy_Dekinais

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2013, 07:00:19 pm »


               Another question: Morag was not immune to divine damage? I saw on Youtube a walkthrough, in which the player's character has killed Morag without the need to destroy any of the Protectors. Player's character was a Paladin with the Holy Sword spell. Maybe I saw wrong or it was a bug?
               
               

               
            

Legacy_MagicalMaster

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2013, 09:19:40 pm »


               Not as bug as much as Bioware not being as careful as they should have been, most likely -- especially since Holy Sword didn't even exist originally.  There's a number of ways to cheese Morag without needing to kill any protectors if you have the right spells or damage type.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2013, 03:47:34 pm »


               What a pity. My pixie needed to kill some of the protectors, in order to kill Morag. Maybe I did not choose the correct spell. '<img'>