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Legacy_simomate

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« on: October 02, 2010, 12:47:14 pm »


               Chapter 1: 1-8?

Chapter 2: 8- 13?

Chapter 3: 14-17?

Chapter 4: 17-20?

Based on my own experinced. But it's not right yet, as I need the opinons of everyone else before this can be offical. Post away your opinons on what level you should be!
               
               

               
            

Legacy_HipMaestro

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2010, 03:08:57 pm »


               

simomate wrote...
Chapter 1: 1-8?
Chapter 2: 8- 13?
Chapter 3: 14-17?
Chapter 4: 17-20?
Based on my own experinced. But it's not right yet, as I need the opinons of everyone else before this can be offical. Post away your opinons on what level you should be! 

*blows the dust off of some brittle, yellowing, wrinkled, coffee-stained notes*
My own experienced maximum and typical numbers if scrubbing all possible XP opportunities and without farming any XP...

Prelude - 4 Max; 3 Typ 
Ch 1 - 10 Max; 8-9 Typ
Ch 1 Finale - Ch 1 max + 1; Ch 1 Typ + 1 
Ch 2 - 16 Max; 14-15 Typ
Ch2 Luskan - 17 Max; 15-16 Typ
Ch3 - 20 Max; 15-17 Typ 
Ch4 - 20 Max; 18 Typ

Keep in mind that ECL has a HUGE effect as does your gaming habits.  Soloing will usually reach the Max levels.  Using  a henchman, familiar, animal companion and summons will drastically reduce the maximum achievable ending levels.  Figure about 10-15% XP penalty per ally.  Some players will only use allies in the tougher battles, some throughout the entire campaign.  Another way to maximize XP is to delay all the quest XP rewards (like the henchman quests) until the very end of each module since those are static rewards.

This issue has been debated to death on the legacy boards where a few members have submitted algorithms for the various multiclass combos (i.e. ECL effect) and XP penalties per ally (IIRC extracted from the 2das).

If you enjoy compiling your own information like this, go to it... but it's been done before.  Incidentally, in the campaign readme's Bioware has published the suggested levels.

For the OC, for example..

Prelude:   Levels  1 to  3
   Chapter 1: Levels  3 to  8
   Chapter 2: Levels  7 to 15
   Chapter 3: Levels 13 to 17
   Chapter 4: Levels 15+


               
               

               


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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2010, 04:22:53 am »


               

HipMaestro wrote...

Prelude - 4 Max; 3 Typ 
Ch 1 - 10 Max; 8-9 Typ
Ch 1 Finale - Ch 1 max + 1; Ch 1 Typ + 1 
Ch 2 - 16 Max; 14-15 Typ
Ch2 Luskan - 17 Max; 15-16 Typ
Ch3 - 20 Max; 15-17 Typ 
Ch4 - 20 Max; 18 Typ


How in the nine hells you get to L4 in the prelude?
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2010, 04:37:58 am »


               1. Play non-fighter class (helps with CR). 2. Solo (no hench, no summon, no pal) 3. Run to stables after leveling to 2, avoiding kills like the plague. 4. After leveling to 3 in the stables, backtrack through academy scrubbing all kills.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2010, 04:43:06 am »


               

HipMaestro wrote...

1. Play non-fighter class (helps with CR). 2. Solo (no hench, no summon, no pal) 3. Run to stables after leveling to 2, avoiding kills like the plague. 4. After leveling to 3 in the stables, backtrack through academy scrubbing all kills.

Right. I supposed that was pretty much it. However, I don't think you can get 3000 XPs with just skeletons and goblins. Or can you? Dammit, I'll have to try it myself.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2010, 04:54:38 am »


               As long as you limit kills to the small bunch in the hallway between Pavel and Geldar (almost impossible to avoid those, they even open the door if you close it behind you) and the few that pass the transition to the stables (the mage has NEVER passed thru for me), it should be relatively easy.  IIRC the highest total I got was around 6150 or so, with a wiz.  (of course, running past everything between the grad chamber & pavel as well)

edit: wiz, sorc & cleric for sure; bard, dru & rog maybe; other classes, close but no cigar
               
               

               


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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 01:47:21 am »


               As far as i know familiars don't get xp from your kills since they are summoned creatures.

that said, here's what i normally get when i play through the OC. keeping in mind i almost always have a henchmen with me, and typically complete all the side quests.



Prelude -           3

Ch 1 -               8

Ch 1 Finale - i generally don't get any extra levels here

Ch 2 -              13

Ch2 Luskan -    14

Ch3 -                15 if i level up at all, which i don't normally.

Ch4 -                15 or 16



Why are all these so low?  XP penalties of course!   in order to do every quest you need to multiclass. typically i end up with Druid/Wiz/rogue(usually no more then 3 levels).
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 09:42:32 am »


                "Like animal companions, a familiar can be restored to full hit points by talking to it and choosing the option to feed it." (By The_Krit)
I didn't even know that... so I thought I was maybe not the only one.
'never know, 'right? ':blink:'

Another question was: Is a familiar considered as an animal companion, my call, or a summon, keeping in mind it stays around when resting (but not if levelling-up).

I do believe a familar count as one henchy when it comes to the XPs calculation, the reason why I barely ever use one... which is the stupidiest attitude, I just realised... They're so beautiful, especially those dragon ones...
 
I could be wrong, but that would be the first time, therefore I'm probably right.

 
               
               

               


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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2010, 02:05:01 pm »


               Arcane familiars "drain" XP just like any other party member, be they animal pals (i.e. divine familiars), hench or summons.  It's easy to test in the Prelude.  Figure, roughly, -10% XP per kill (IIRC I got 12% when I compiled the numbers through to the end of the campaign).  When the XP per kill is very low, the percentage will get higher since NWN rounds down.  Quest rewards are not affected by XP splits. You'll need at least 7 druid levels (IIRC) to get all the druid camp battles in the OC.
Nasty mercenary types "steal" the most XP of all. ':devil:'  
Personally, I love pixie banter.  They so cute!':wub:'

edit: Level 7 druid requirement confirmed.  Ring reward exploit can be used to farm additional XP, if desired.
               
               

               


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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 10:48:56 pm »


               

HipMaestro wrote...
 Ring reward exploit can be used to farm additional XP, if desired.


RIng reward exploit? please elaborate, that one I haven't seen :innocent:
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2010, 01:52:18 am »


               Except for the 1st circle (final) combat, continually removing the ring reward from inventory will "force" an infinite number of circle competitions.  That's anywhere from 200-500 XP per battle depending on which one is being fought.  You never actually "kill" any of the participants unless you decide to go mercenary in the camp.  (All you are doing is avoiding the inventory item validation in the Jaer convo.)

These are some the most challenging combat encounters in the campaign, especially for mid-level (10-13) PCs.
               
               

               


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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2010, 10:48:35 am »


               actually those don't come close to difficulty as in the last fight in the board laid bare, if you failed to convince the "referee" to dispell claudas as well.   honestly i always had a pretty easy time in the druid circle challanges.  i had all sorts of spells at my disposal, plus a familiar, and animal companion...and then of course summoned creature spells, plus misc buffing spells.    hmm.. perhaps there should be more restrictions on such builds... '<img'>