In your opinion, are the OC romances involving?

[Legacy_Vaalyah]

               @Andarian: I am playing HotU in these days. As soon as I've finished it, I think I'll do a try to your module! :-) thanks!
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_The RealArchAngel]

               Honestly?
I stuck with Tomi throuout the Chapters & I finished the game within a week and didn't even know about the Henchmen Quest or the Romance thingy as I never used them for more then tanks as my PC stood back and unleashed "softening spells" before moving in also..lol
Now if they had triggered the chit-chat leading to romance conversations during the rests (the ideal place,duh) or they said outright they had thier own quests they'd needed help with when my PC met them i'd have a clue
Might have been a bettter bargin to trade quest help for henchie help...just saying (You scratch my back I scrath yours)
As far as romances ....vaguely remember the Goldbox eddition of "Savange frontier" where  party members notice  a Male PC tlking and spending a lot of time with the Female NPC during rest Periods then they eventually come forwards and admit they are a couple and if you accept their romance they become "linked" in battle in where if one is hurt badly the other one goes bezerk (rollseyes)
What is a Romance but a attraction by at least 1 if not both parties and spending time together?
If there was multiple choice answers to the NPC questions and If there was a list of personal/general  questions the PC could ask vs various kinds of rolls based on the other's mood or disposition I don't see why the art coversation can't be implimented to roll play "romance"  and the consequences (like the lovebirds being over protective of each other in a battle...even taking a hit/death blow for the other)
               
               

               

                     Modifié par The RealArchAngel, 27 octobre 2010 - 06:44 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Jfoxtail]

               Ben Wrote:
Romances are seen as separate entities, achievements pursued primarily between significant game events

Romances occur solely in peaceful interaction/dialogue, never during, or as a result of, the circumstances of the RPG's story. Worse, they hinge upon certain conditions being met or things being said, which I think, even if only subconsciously, strikes most of us as unrealistic. (I know this is fantasy, but more than anything else, the emotional responses of characters must be quasi-realistic in even the wildest fantasy settings for us to relate and grow attached to those characters, an essential component of a successful RPG romance.)

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Its not conversations and events that make a good romance. Its also time and experience.

Why is the Jahere romance in BG so popular? Why does it generate so many questions and users wanting to fulfill? Because it takes time (and it too lacks qualitative experience - or at least soemwhat does).

I would think that resurecting a dead companion during the main quest might induce some strong emotional attachment... in fantasy or real life.

I would think that risking my person for my henchman/companion/romantic interest would do the same. Whether it is standing in front of dragon breath for her or accepting a knife thrown at me for her sake (Jahere again anyone ?)

Self sacrifice, emotial attachment, time invested in the relationship, comments and responses.

All very hard to do right but the better NWN ones do some of all of this.

Some examples of romances that have good examples of some of these elements;
Lord of Darkness - (the princess)
Aielund Saga - (the princess or Robert Black)

Now if only we could have such an emotional attachment without it having to be royalty or saving the throne ? Whats wrong with a 5th level Paladin of Lathander having a holy consecrated reationship with Dawnmaster 6th level?
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Jfoxtail, 27 octobre 2010 - 02:55 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Avonos the Rogue]

               

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[Legacy_Vaalyah]

               @RealArchAngel and Jfoxtail: I completely agree with you. In fact I really would like to find a way to add some of the things you said in the OC. I need a lot of work on the scripts, thought, unfortunately this means time. A lot of time '
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Mystery X]

               I didn't realize there were romances for the player character in the OC.



The only two NPCs with whom my characters have actually adventured were Tomi and Daelen.  I have only interacted with the other NPCs long enough to complete their quests.  All my interactions with henchmen seem to end with a line something like, "Your friendship is the greatest reward or something," and then my character never really starts any other conversations with the henchmen, and they don't start any more conversations on their own.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Vaalyah]

               

Mystery X wrote...
I didn't realize there were romances for the player character in the OC.

Funny... me neither! <>

Since we are in a spoiler forum...
SPOILER
if you're a male character, you can romance Aribeth, if you are a female, Aaring Genth (or how it is written)
END SPOILER
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Mystery X]

               I was considering buy a new game to try.  But maybe playing through one of the romance options is a good excuse to play the OC one more time.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Vaalyah]

               The problem is that, in my (and many others) opinion, those can't be defined "romance"...
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_unclejoe1917]

               

Mystery X wrote...

I was considering buy a new game to try. But maybe playing through one of the romance options is a good excuse to play the OC one more time.

That's a lot of game time to dedicate for what amounts to a few lines that merely allude to a romantic involvement.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Poecile]

               

Vaalyah wrote...

Mystery X wrote...
I didn't realize there were romances for the player character in the OC.

Funny... me neither! <>

Since we are in a spoiler forum...
SPOILER
if you're a male character, you can romance Aribeth, if you are a female, Aaring Genth (or how it is written)
END SPOILER

 This is a SPOILER forum for NWN, so you can come right out and say that the romances are Aarin Gend for female PCs and Linu and/or Sharwynn for male PCs, Aribeth isn't really part of the henchman romance path until HotU.

 Establishing a connection or fondness between the Player and his/her pixel pals goes back to the earliest of games, like the early Ultimas on the PC, or X-Com, where you'd have your favorite marines fighting against the UFO menace... Heck, even a boy/girl can play with his/her dolls or action figures and develop a fondness for some over others.  

 I think it is simply just the reciprocation of affection that can make a difference, it doesn't necessarily have to be a full-blown whirlwind romance.  NPCs that admire your PC, or are in awe, or have a crush, or whatever.   

  When you combine the growing affection for your characters with meaningful conversation, that propels the pixel pals into something more impactful.  It brings you further into their world and makes you feel a part of it, and that is really the point of RPGs, afterall.


  Your actions and pursuits in the game take on more meaning as you're motivated by those you begin to care about and find endearing, for me, Minsc is a good example of the latter.  I mean Minsc was the best at making me want to crush some skulls and Jaheira, well...  She was a tremendous character and she also provided my character with great motivation.  

 And Aribeth, well    play the modules in my links.  
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Poecile, 29 octobre 2010 - 03:19 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Vaalyah]

               I know that this is a spoiler forum, but many times people that have not finished the game just come for having a look or searching for suggestions, etc. So, since it costs nothing to write "SPOILER", there's not problem in that :-)



What you have said it's true, but notwithstanding that, there are good romances and bad romances in games. And I can assure you that OC romances are BAD. Tremendously bad. From my point of view, obvious. But I think that a lot of players share my opinion :-D

We surely improve with HotU.

What can I say... as I've already stated... I HATE ARIBETH! :-D (the avatar is just because it was the only female of a game that I actually played, but as soon as I'll install DA:O I am going to change it, finally!). And my idea of her can be wonderfully summarized as here:

http://epantiras.dev...llery/#/d1v430g

by the way, Epantiras's comics about bioware games are WONDERFUL! :-D
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Poecile]

               

Vaalyah wrote...


What you have said it's true, but notwithstanding that, there are good romances and bad romances in games. And I can assure you that OC romances are BAD. Tremendously bad. From my point of view, obvious. But I think that a lot of players share my opinion :-D
We surely improve with HotU.
What can I say... as I've already stated... I HATE ARIBETH! :-D (the avatar is just because it was the only female of a game that I actually played, but as soon as I'll install DA:O I am going to change it, finally!). And my idea of her can be wonderfully summarized as here:
http://epantiras.dev...llery/#/d1v430g
by the way, Epantiras's comics about bioware games are WONDERFUL! :-D

  I agree that the OC's 'romances' were lacking in comparison to other RPGs, I don't think you'd have to twist anyone's arms to agree with that, unless NWN is the first CRPG you've ever played.  

  Baldur's Gate established a high mark when it comes to 'romances', and I quote 'romances' because it can mean different things to different people. 

  Nathyrra (Isn't she an avatar choice, she used to be?) was probably a better overall 'romanceable' character, in terms of content and execution, than any other in the NWN/SoU/HotU series.
 
 I don't really consider Aribeth in HotU as being the same character I knew in NWN because of the way they needed to pander to those who killed her in Maugrim's Estate.  Her romance path was also rushed because of the timing of it all, and that there was a glitch that omitted a conversation. 

 Linu and Sharwyn are fine characters in their own right, and they are indeed memorable, unlike some in the SoU campaign.  For me, they are also likeable and endearing, but yeah, their 'romance' could have been better executed.

  Mass Effect and Knights of the Old Republic have really polished romances, and Dragon Age does as well.
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Poecile, 29 octobre 2010 - 08:03 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Vaalyah]

               Have you tried also NWN2?

I liked Valen romance in HotU, even if I had to spent a lot of time trying to create a mental image of his personality. However, yes, BG2 romance was really good. (No, Nathyrra is not an avatar choice, if it was, I would undoubtedly chose her!)
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Mystery X]

               The fact that I never knew there were romance possibilities in the OC probably says something about the personalities of the characters I played.  They never showed interest in anyone else by prompting, "Tell me something about yourself..." unless they thought it could lead to material rewards.