[15:57:11 31/03/14] LadyAloura : hello
[15:57:12 31/03/14] Shar : whats a good time to run that event?
[15:57:16 31/03/14] Shar : or day
[15:57:22 31/03/14] Animayhem : cant get in til abut 4.5 hrs from now
[15:57:34 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : hi everyone
[15:57:38 31/03/14] Animayhem : 5:30pm seattle time
[15:57:44 31/03/14] Shar : i can run the cerimoney event tonight
[15:57:52 31/03/14] Shar : if you want
[15:57:56 31/03/14] Shar : Hi bobby
[15:58:07 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : whats up?
[15:58:11 31/03/14] Animayhem : ok will mark it down will be in about 5:30pm seattle time about 4.5hrs from now
[15:58:17 31/03/14] LadyAloura : will be late for that time either eating dinner or very close to it
[15:58:48 31/03/14] Shar : [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
[15:58:56 31/03/14] Shar : well thats new for one Razz
[16:00:29 31/03/14] Shar : Honestly bobby i dont know weather they are or are not but i think that post may have been a bad idea... now everyone is going to "assumbe" that to be the case
[16:00:49 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : i was honestly just sick of hearing it
[16:01:11 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : cause i keep hearing it from everyone
[16:01:46 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : i been hearing its coming from you too shar
[16:01:59 31/03/14] Animayhem : gads got dcd Razz
[16:02:18 31/03/14] Animayhem : so Shar I will be in game 5:30pm seattle time
[16:02:24 31/03/14] Shar : well... There style of RP is similor... and a lot of people (Players&DM's) seem to think it may be the case
[16:04:04 31/03/14] Shar : you still there mayhem?
[16:04:10 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : yeah and some players play the same as others, but there are always differences
[16:04:35 31/03/14] Animayhem : yes shar
[16:04:37 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : plus there shouldnt be this talk at all
[16:04:59 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : last thing i want is a player to be wrongfully banned for being mistaken for someone else
[16:05:39 31/03/14] Animayhem : not on for long though
[16:05:41 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : and if you guys end up being adamant thinking they are GPH, i know you will ban them
[16:05:52 31/03/14] Shar : I dont know who they are bobby and i treat them the same as anyone else..
[16:06:12 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : i dont think ODA does
[16:06:16 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : thats for sure
[16:06:36 31/03/14] Animayhem : I suggest this not be discussed here it should of stayed in dm forums
[16:06:43 31/03/14] Animayhem : So Shar today is set then?
[16:06:52 31/03/14] Shar : sure.
[16:07:09 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : animayhem it doesnt
[16:07:21 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : then TheRedOven cannot have a say
[16:07:27 31/03/14] Animayhem : ok see you at 5:30p
[16:07:36 31/03/14] Shar : ok...
[16:08:05 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : it was never discussed in the DM forum to begin with
[16:08:11 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : and it wont go there
[16:08:51 31/03/14] Shar : *sigh*
[16:09:49 31/03/14] BobbyBrown15 : on a lighter note, i have finally spoken to crescent black once again
[16:10:04 31/03/14] Shar : anyway mayheam... give or take a half hour i will be on there...
[16:10:18 31/03/14] Shar : really? thats nice
[16:11:00 31/03/14] Shar : I gtg for now guys... RL
[16:11:05 31/03/14] LadyAloura : .
[16:28:19 31/03/14] TheRedOven : ..this conversation was, at least, interesting... -.-
[16:28:47 31/03/14] LadyAloura : oh?
[23:53:35 31/03/14] LadyAloura : .
[00:46:26 01/04/14] LadyAloura : .
[04:09:03 01/04/14] Valerion : Hmmmm, the main difference I find with TheRedOven is that he or she is far more humble, more polite, AND far more flexible, she pulls through her style or RP but in ways that do not make interaction impossible. So even if they are GPH, they have matured and therefore have deserved a chance. If they are not, then there is no reason to worry for now.
[07:52:58 01/04/14] Shar : Hello Red
[07:55:13 01/04/14] Shar : I saw your post. I understand your reasons, especialy when it comes to the style of Rp however i want you to know that i enjoyed the limited Rp we had
[08:00:08 01/04/14] Shar : Also, I think you may be interestd in a server i know of where the style of Rp is a lot closer to what i feel you wanted.
[08:01:13 01/04/14] Shar : its called Amia
[08:02:28 01/04/14] Shar : Anyway...perhaps i will see you here again? Smile
[08:02:47 01/04/14] Shar : and you go afk
[08:02:57 01/04/14] Shar : best wishes then.
[08:03:02 01/04/14] Shar : Very Happy
[10:07:22 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : ...
[10:08:34 01/04/14] TheRedOven : How strange. I think I posted something in the general board. Why's it gone?
[10:09:16 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : it was deleted
[10:09:30 01/04/14] TheRedOven : ...why? It wasn't offensive.
[10:09:34 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i know
[10:10:01 01/04/14] TheRedOven : Who deleted it? a DM or..
[10:10:02 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : sadly, apparently i cant see the whole picture so i have no say
[10:10:19 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : only the forum admin can delete things in the general forum
[10:10:35 01/04/14] TheRedOven : ...What's the whole picture to have about a post with my reasons for taking some time away from dohral?
[10:10:52 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i have no idea, seemed perfectly reasonable to me
[10:11:17 01/04/14] TheRedOven : I criticised some things there, but to go to the point of deleting it..
[10:11:29 01/04/14] TheRedOven : Guess we're not allowed to have an opinion here.
[10:11:56 01/04/14] Valerion : If that were so I would be gone 5 times already *chuckles*
[10:12:35 01/04/14] TheRedOven : Well, considering my entire 5 paragraph'd post was just deleted.... seems it is so.
[10:13:42 01/04/14] Valerion : *Shrugs* I did not see anything so can't say anything to that.
[10:14:05 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : I will ask Shar
[10:14:19 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : aparently he might have seen it
[10:14:19 01/04/14] TheRedOven : shar saw it. He didn't find it offensive at all, etc. Even to a point comprehended what I posted.
[10:14:27 01/04/14] TheRedOven : Then, it's gone like 20 mins later -.-
[10:15:17 01/04/14] TheRedOven : I gave my honest opinion about some things in as respectable a manner possible, and it's deleted..
[10:15:39 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i am actually quite pissed about that
[10:16:31 01/04/14] TheRedOven : First time I see this happen, frankly. And I've seen some really agressive posting here left untouched, etc. I don't get it. Is it because it's an opinion or?
[10:17:53 01/04/14] Valerion : We can speculate all day and it will take us back a hundred years until we are over, for now I will just wait, stand back and watch, perhaps ask some questions. This is somewhat making my head scratch and the first time it has happened, and therefore I assume a special reason behind it,
[10:18:06 01/04/14] Valerion : whatever it may be.
[10:18:34 01/04/14] TheRedOven : Well, whatever the reason may be, it just made my leave final, not temporary.
[10:20:04 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : and ODA better not call me friend again, he lost the right to do so
[10:20:05 01/04/14] Valerion : As you wish,
[10:20:10 01/04/14] TheRedOven : I only posted that lately there's not been nearly enough activity towards my end to justify staying online for exorbitant ammounts of time, etc, and elaborated a bit further on why I was taking a break and focusing IRL. I wasn't offensive in the slightest either.
[10:21:12 01/04/14] TheRedOven : I've seen at least 4 or 5 temp leave posts so they're clearly not forbidden. I made sure to check that before posting mine.
[10:21:53 01/04/14] Valerion : You can tell this as much as you want, I did not see anything, or read anything being not in the entire picture I cannot build a proper opinion to it, so I will wait until I get the full picture. I know and grew to like oda as an intelligent and not unwise person, if he begins to act irrationally, or unwise or even aggressive there will be some sort of reason behind it, as said. If you leave, do so and I wish you well, as anyone else, but I will not take a stand unless I know more
[10:23:53 01/04/14] TheRedOven : ...Somehow I don't believe what you just said one bit, given one or two things I've been told + his overall behaviour towards any form of diversion from his line of sight. But they're your words. Anyhow, you guys enjoy Dohral.
[10:24:57 01/04/14] Valerion : You do not have to believe me, it is my opinion of him, and yes I know he has flaws and that he may be stubborn in several ways, but I am too in some others, as said, I remain neutral as much as I can and watch.
[10:25:17 01/04/14] TheRedOven : nod
[10:26:34 01/04/14] TheRedOven : Anywho. Adios. *drinks a cup* Here's to no more posts being deleted for no apparent reason with my temp absense gone permanent.
[10:26:45 01/04/14] Valerion : Every behaviour has it's reason, and every reason a root.
[10:27:13 01/04/14] Valerion : And if I was to judge every person by the moments he acts badly instead of the good ones
[10:27:26 01/04/14] Valerion : then I would call myself the biggest OOC ******* of all of dohral
[10:28:31 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : honestly, i have seen more bad than good latley
[10:28:35 01/04/14] cjc180 : What the hell happened?
[10:28:53 01/04/14] cjc180 : RedOver has quit the server??
[10:28:57 01/04/14] cjc180 : Oven*
[10:29:19 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : oda deleted a farewell post from TheRedOven that contained criticism but no offensiveness and no hostility i could detect
[10:29:30 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : there was no reason it should have been removed
[10:29:43 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : ODA also refused to explain why
[10:29:51 01/04/14] cjc180 : Ehhh... Yeah, seeing how he kept GPH's
[10:29:57 01/04/14] cjc180 : That doesn't make much sense
[10:30:03 01/04/14] cjc180 : Seeing how GPH's was very offensive
[10:30:13 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i know
[10:30:21 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : thats the problem
[10:30:27 01/04/14] cjc180 : Maybe RedOven hit ODA more home than she thought?
[10:30:39 01/04/14] cjc180 : idk.
[10:30:50 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : honestly, at this moment i am not sure if ODA is overreacting or trying to do something else
[10:31:13 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : but if he keeps this up, i cant defend him without feeling dirty
[10:31:16 01/04/14] cjc180 : Idk, maybe he's having a rough time atm. It wouldn't be the first, he's had a pretty rough life.
[10:31:25 01/04/14] cjc180 : What did RedOven write?
[10:31:36 01/04/14] cjc180 : Something about PC's OOCly hating her or something?
[10:31:45 01/04/14] cjc180 : Cuz I was fine with her ._.
[10:31:48 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : nope
[10:31:54 01/04/14] cjc180 : Heck, I was looking forward to an antagonist
[10:32:05 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : she made some criticisms about the server itself, but nothign hostile
[10:32:13 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : it was constructive
[10:32:28 01/04/14] cjc180 : Oh, like empty areas, not many encounters, some broken trans, etc?
[10:32:33 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : sadly i cant access a copy of it so i cant tell you what was in it
[10:32:36 01/04/14] cjc180 : Content which isn't available yet, all that stuff?
[10:32:39 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : well i can remember some but not much
[10:32:55 01/04/14] cjc180 : That's a shame...
[10:33:15 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : mentioned lack of lore, even basic lore, how the areas looked more like a random tileset generator was used too much, the lack of anything to really do and sitting afk all the time
[10:33:31 01/04/14] cjc180 : I think they're both over reacting it seems... I mean, ODA deleted a post of her being temp inactive, and RedOven is now QUITTING because her post was deleted...
[10:33:32 01/04/14] cjc180 : :/
[10:33:34 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : but those were basic ideas, the way they put it was very kind and calm
[10:33:51 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : ODA shouldnt have touched it
[10:34:07 01/04/14] cjc180 : It's true though.
[10:34:19 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i know
[10:34:23 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : thats the issue
[10:34:24 01/04/14] cjc180 : I mean... You go on FRC server,
[10:34:30 01/04/14] cjc180 : Every area has something to do
[10:34:49 01/04/14] cjc180 : Kill that nest of spiders, hunt those ogres, all sorts of lovely dungeons
[10:34:59 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : ODA seems to be hostile to any criticism, i received that note just not too long ago from someone else
[10:35:03 01/04/14] cjc180 : Here we only have adventure and the occasional encounter along the way...
[10:36:08 01/04/14] cjc180 : I like ODA, I really do. But I mean... He needs to take a deep breathe and collect his thoughts. If something is bothering him IRL, it needs to be sorted and kept out of this. Have himself take some time away to sort everything out.
[10:36:18 01/04/14] cjc180 : Obviously, that's not as easy as it sounds, but still..
[10:36:32 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i am doubting ODA
[10:36:36 01/04/14] cjc180 : Damn it, that put me down a bit, RedOven is really gone?
[10:36:42 01/04/14] cjc180 : Her RP was great...
[10:36:46 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : and the more of this stuff he has done has only increased it, and yes they are
[10:37:46 01/04/14] sploenk : hey
[10:37:46 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : sploenk go ahead and read up
[10:39:08 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i am also sure once ODA sees this talk he will clear the chatbox
[10:40:24 01/04/14] sploenk : i have been away for some time, so i can't form an opionion...
[10:40:54 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : well i hope shar pops in, he saw the post
[10:41:26 01/04/14] cjc180 : This doesn't make too much sense. ODA wants players.
[10:41:55 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : This is more going to drive them away
[10:41:58 01/04/14] cjc180 : I remember back when the servers were quiet, he was contemplating shutting it all down and giving up.
[10:42:05 01/04/14] sploenk : i don't know what the post is about, and it it was general criticism or pernonal....
[10:42:33 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : it was general criticism about the server itself
[10:42:42 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : nothing was directed at ODA
[10:42:49 01/04/14] cjc180 : From what RedOver typed above, yeah.
[10:44:37 01/04/14] cjc180 : Welp. Atleast I have some of the conversation with RedOver above saved.
[10:44:46 01/04/14] cjc180 : I screenied it on a word doc.
[10:44:50 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : this is the situation that makes me doubt ODA
[10:44:59 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : why i cannot defend him
[10:45:10 01/04/14] sploenk : i'm going to wait for an explenation from oda about this, this post has clearly upset the community...
[10:45:38 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i wouldnt waste your breath sploenk, i tried asking him
[10:45:54 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : he refused to tell me when i asked him in the server list chat
[10:46:09 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : calling me childish when i said i wanted to know what his problem was with the post
[10:46:16 01/04/14] sploenk : maybe he has personal reasons...
[10:46:22 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : cause i know only he could have removed it
[10:47:00 01/04/14] Valerion : Different people, different windows of entrance Bobby, just because he does not tell you does not mean he does not tell anyone else
[10:47:04 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : then he has more issues than i thought, cause there was nothing that should have hit him personally in that post, and he should be keeping personal out of it
[10:47:07 01/04/14] sploenk : ...i don't know the reasons, but i hold you and oda in high regard, as i do with all the resident players...
[10:47:25 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : hello shar
[10:47:31 01/04/14] sploenk : ..and i'm not sure that complaining about oda here will resolve the matter
[10:47:38 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : no doubt you noticed the missing post
[10:48:23 01/04/14] sploenk : ...take some time to cool off and ask oda to explain the what and why in the crew forum, that's what it's for
[10:48:43 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i asked him one on one
[10:48:47 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : privatly
[10:49:04 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : if i ask him in a group forum he is likely to delete it, i know it
[10:49:45 01/04/14] sploenk : you don't know, maybe he was upset, maybe the tone of the question was misinterpreted...
[10:50:06 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i wanted a direct and straight answer
[10:50:28 01/04/14] sploenk : open a thread in the crew forums, tomorrow, and it won't be deleted if we talk about this in a adult manner
[10:50:29 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : how can that be misinterpreted
[10:50:43 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : he called me chilidish
[10:50:53 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : its clear he doesnt see me as an adult
[10:51:46 01/04/14] sploenk : look, i just got back here, and i want us all to play together...please take some time to cool off and open a thread tomorrow...i'm sure oda will reply
[10:52:14 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i dont intend to open a thread, i intend to keep all discussion in this box
[10:52:45 01/04/14] Shar : thats very odd... i read there post, i didnt see anything in it.
[10:53:22 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : read up on the discussion so far shar?
[10:53:22 01/04/14] Shar : yes... maby there was more to this... i'm sure we we will get a responce soon
[10:53:33 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i doubt it
[10:53:34 01/04/14] Shar : yes
[10:53:42 01/04/14] sploenk : again, no offence, but as a crewmember, this should be discussed with the crew
[10:53:50 01/04/14] Shar : yes
[10:54:04 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : well shar i am past that
[10:54:24 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i have seen too much from ODA to be nice and quiet
[10:54:36 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : because of him my friend just quit
[10:54:50 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : over something that shouldnt have happened at all
[10:55:08 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : and when i asked him why he said i didnt see the whole picture
[10:55:14 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : and called me childish
[10:55:18 01/04/14] sploenk : well it is not fait to open this here when oda is not here to comment
[10:55:26 01/04/14] sploenk : fair
[10:55:40 01/04/14] Shar : Bobby, You have a good heart. but lets find out the reasoning before we overreact.
[10:55:45 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : sploenk, i have been talked about behind my back by him in here alreafy
[10:56:03 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i know its happened and i was shown proof of it as well
[10:56:20 01/04/14] sploenk : then be the bigger man and adulkt and do it privatly
[10:56:20 01/04/14] cjc180 : New post.
[10:56:36 01/04/14] Valerion : Let's be honest, everyone talks about everyone somehow behind his back.
[10:56:39 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i tried doing it privatly sploenk
[10:56:46 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : this is the result
[10:58:24 01/04/14] sploenk : then give the rest of the crew an oppurtunity to respond as well
[10:58:44 01/04/14] Shar : I am going to do some checking about this event..
[10:58:47 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : they cant respond not knowing what happened at least
[10:59:05 01/04/14] Shar : i will see you ig soon.
[10:59:07 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : because only shar and i saw it before it was removed
[10:59:12 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : no one else knows
[11:01:21 01/04/14] cjc180 : ._. I wonder if my post will be deleted too.
[11:01:33 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : we will see
[11:01:36 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : if he does
[11:01:40 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : my point is made
[11:01:42 01/04/14] cjc180 : But I mean, I'd be pretty pissed if I 4-5 paragraph post was deleted in less than an hour too.
[11:01:59 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i was and its not even my post
[11:02:07 01/04/14] cjc180 : Its obvious Red put TIME and EFFORT into it, so you shouldn't just... scrap it
[11:02:26 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : i know, he didnt even move it to the DM forum
[11:02:31 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : just, poof
[11:02:49 01/04/14] cjc180 : Shame nobody has a way to recover it
[11:02:57 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : no indeed
[11:04:17 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : and oda is no longer on the forum, he has recently been putting himself to hidden
[11:05:17 01/04/14] BobbyBrown15 : currently there are no hidden users on
[11:08:29 01/04/14] sploenk : IE crashed sorry
[11:09:21 01/04/14] Valerion : IE?!
[11:09:25 01/04/14] Valerion : Go get firefox, NOW! Very Happy
[11:09:33 01/04/14] sploenk : internet explorer
[11:10:15 01/04/14] sploenk : lol, i want to keep this awesome laptop as clean as possible
[11:10:27 01/04/14] sploenk : going ingame
[11:10:29 01/04/14] Valerion : hey sploenk, if you go ingame and give me a bar of gold and I can show you the wish spell^^
[12:27:53 01/04/14] LadyAloura : .
[13:36:43 01/04/14] @ GM_ODA : wb friend
[13:37:21 01/04/14] LadyAloura : hello