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Legacy_Guest_Faerunner_*:


               So I want to play SotU and HotU all the way through, and am thinking about playing as a Half-Elf Shifter.
 
If I do play one, I can't decide between a Pure Shifter or a Shifter with levels in Monk to get some unarmed fighting bonuses.
 
A pure shifter build means pouring all my stats into Wisdom, take the shifter class ASAP, and go for the dragon form later. A shifter build with a few levels in Monk means I'll sacrifice some shifter levels and epic forms later, but I'll get unarmed combat bonuses that translate well into most shifted forms. Most shifter guides say it works best if you level up in increments of 4 by level 20 to get max BAB in "epic" levels. Which means that by level 20:
 
Pure Shifter: 12 lvls Druid, 8 lvls Shifter.
Shifter/Monk: 8 lvls Druid, 4 lvls Monk, 8 lvls Shifter.
 
They each have +/- 
 
Pure Shifter: means I'll need to pour all my available stats into Wisdom so I can become a Dragon down the line (Hey, if I'm going to go the "pure" route, might as well go for broke.) The downside to is my regular form will have bare minimum STR, DEX and CON for the first 12 levels as a Druid, and probably some time after. Which means I'll be a sitting duck, pitiful in combat, and have to load up on the strongest armor and items to keep from dying every few steps. On the other hand, I'll have decent points leftover for "social skills" to talk to other characters.
 
Monk Shifter: Taking a few levels in Monk means I'll need to invest enough points in STR, DEX and CON to get decent unarmed feats (like Cleave) but sacrifice the extra Wisdom and extra forms later. It also means I might not be able to invest in enough levels, feats or attributes to get some of the spectacular forms later. So I'll be a better all-around fighter, but won't be as neat a shifter.
 
So, what are your thoughts? Should I go for the Pure Shifter or Monk Shifter?

               
               

               
            

Legacy_Riverdaleswhiteflash:


               Does the permanent Mind Blank thing still work in a Shifted form?

               
               

               
            

Legacy_Empyre65:


               I can't give much advice about Shifters, but I can tell you that SoU wiill only take you to about level 13. If you plan to take this character into HotU, that will bring you to about level 28. To get all the way to level 40, you would need to follow HotU with a custom campaign like the Sands of Fate series. All of these are high-magic environments, which you should keep in mind when designing your build.
 
The first level of Monk will give you Cleave for free without any pre-requisites.
 
The Epic Character Search Engine
The NWN Epic Character Builders Guild

               
               

               
            

Legacy_Guest_Faerunner_*:


               

Does the permanent Mind Blank thing still work in a Shifted form?


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I don't know. I've never played long enough to actually become a shifter or experience the Mind Blank.
 
What does it do? Should I be afraid of it? Do a lot of enemies use it in this game?
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Guest_Faerunner_*:


               

I can't give much advice about Shifters, but I can tell you that SoU wiill only take you to about level 13. If you plan to take this character into HotU, that will bring you to about level 28. To get all the way to level 40, you would need to follow HotU with a custom campaign like the Sands of Fate series. All of these are high-magic environments, which you should keep in mind when designing your build.
 
The first level of Monk will give you Cleave for free without any pre-requisites.
 
The Epic Character Search Engine
The NWN Epic Character Builders Guild


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Thank you, this was legitimately helpful. I won't worry about maxing out shifter levels then.
 
I just want to play through SotU and HotU with a class I like, but built well enough that I won't get killed every two steps. It happens to me way too often in games, and it's really frustrating. Unfortunately, Shifters are also very hit or miss. If you build them and use them right, they can be pretty good. If you build and/or use them poorly, they're TERRIBLE!
 
So if we only get to about level 13 in SotU and 28 in HotU, as you said, I won't torture my character with minimal stats all through SotU, or play so many levels in classes I don't even like, just to be fairly good toward the end of HotU. That won't do any good if I've long quit in frustration during Act 1 in SotU.
 
Eh, to make things less complicated I'll probably just keep fairly balanced stats so I'm not completely helpless through SotU, do my 8 levels of Druid, maybe 1 level in Monk, then all Shifter levels through SotU. If I took said Monk level, I might do my extra three levels in Monk early in HotU to get that increment of 4 BAB bonus by Lvl 20, then go back to Shifter through the rest of the game. 
 
Anyway, thank you for the links. I'm reading them now. ^^

               
               

               
            

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