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« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2011, 09:25:45 pm »


               Why do I need to? What would it prove to you? Answer that. So there are THOUSANDS of great community modules according to you. So obviously, many people make good modules. What makes me different from A WHOLE COMMUNITY that makes great modules according to you? According to you, anyone who's stuck with the toolset has made a good module and thus that includes me.

See what I did there?

Besides, my modules have been posted as another name, not as Elton John is Dead. I'd rather have my modules be remembered under my original name not as this name which contains an accursed name that I mock.
               
               

               


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« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2011, 09:47:41 pm »


               That tells me everything I wanted to know, thanks.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2011, 09:47:54 pm »


               

Elton John is dead wrote...

If you had bothered to check my profile, you would see that I've advertised modules made by fans.


There is nothing in your profile about advertising modules made by fans.

I've played a few fan made modules but I'm not going to play the whole lot and I originally said that no fan made module compares to Daggerford.


No, what you wrote (and I quoted you) was:

Elton John is dead wrote...

No and I don't care. They're made by fans not Bioware and each are different from NWN's campaign. The one I did play was called Good Vs Evil III...[emphasis added].


Writing "the one I did play" pretty clearly suggests the opposite. If you mis-spoke, then retract or correct what you wrote. Don't get bent out of shape if someone takes you at your word for what you did write and responds accordingly.

I never mentioned anything about story so stop listening to the others.


Sure you did:

Elton John is dead wrote...

...which had no story but had you fighting in wars and building your army. That doesn't sound like NWN to me. It's just been build with the fantastic aurora toolset [emphasis added].


Sure sounds like a complaint about a lack of story to me.

So I'm still not going to go back and play these fan modules you want me to.


I couldn't care less, and I'm done talking to you.
               
               

               


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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2011, 09:53:28 pm »


               

Elton John is dead wrote...

And when I mean that, I mean I see how the scripting is pretty good, how henchmen AI has been improved and I see how areas look pretty good but the whole story is stupid, unmemorable and poor. In the Interlude, all the dungeons you explore are full of traps that would kill nearly every character below LV 10 ( I'm playing as my character from the OC), many enemies cast confusion and daze on you. There are hardly any merchants. Then in Chapter II - it's the same. Was the campaign even designed for  LV 1 - 13 characters? Even in Chapter I when I played as a LV 1 character just to test it - traps and enemies were everywhere and they were very powerful. In Chapter II when you enter the temple, I could've sworn some enemies had just been planted there without any thought of what they do.


Not the most epic story coming from Bioware, but personally, I found it enjoyable.  The story seemed a bit comical, but it was a nice welcome for me.

Now, I passed SoU numerous times with a level 1 characters of varying classes from start to finish.  To be frank, it was one of the easiest campaigns I've ever played (if you ever desire to see what hard is like, try playing baldur's gate '^_^').  It actually isn't that hard when you consider the abilities of your henchman, and how the mechanics work.  If your enemies cast confusion and daze on you, focus on improving your saves or use mind-protection spells; you can even down a potion of clarity.  Manage your inventory wisely, and plan your tactics before charging through a dungeon.  The thing about the difficulty early on in the campaign is the fact that at level 1, your character only has so many hitpoints.  Plan around that, and the game is a lot easier.

Elton John is dead wrote...
No and I don't care. They're made by fans not Bioware and each are different from NWN's campaign. The one I did play was called Good Vs Evil III which had no story but had you fighting in wars and building your army. That doesn't sound like NWN to me. It's just been build with the fantastic aurora toolset


Your missing out.

Modules and community content are only as good as the time and effort put in by the authors who create them, not whether or not they are Bioware or are backed by Bioware, even if Bioware is a reputable company.  If you think about it, even the original campaigns came out of the toolset.  Just because they don't have Bioware attached to them doesn't mean they they are anything less NWN.  In fact, I've played modules that are much more technologically developed than Daggerford, and some with stories that I find more palatable and epic.  

Some are even placed in Forgotten Realms (Like Neverwinter, Daggerford, Waterdeep, etc.,) if your into something a little closer to the feel of NWN.  You should sample more of whats out there, otherwise you just won't know what your missing.  

Don't be stubborn with a game that offers you limitless hours of fun--for free. 
               
               

               


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« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2011, 10:34:05 pm »


               

AndarianTD wrote...


There is nothing in your profile about advertising modules made by fans.


Check my posts idiot:

http://social.bioware.com/1491421/

So what were you saying about me not advertising fan modules?

I never mentioned anything about story either, I simply stated Good Vs Evil III had no story but I expressed no complaint about that. You're clearly quoting my comments out of context. In other comments of mine, I state how I have played other modules. Would I be advertising them if I hadn't? YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

Goodbye then idiot, if you're done talking to me, I don't expect to see you back here.

MingWolf wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

And when I mean that, I mean I see how the scripting is pretty good, how henchmen AI has been improved and I see how areas look pretty good but the whole story is stupid, unmemorable and poor. In the Interlude, all the dungeons you explore are full of traps that would kill nearly every character below LV 10 ( I'm playing as my character from the OC), many enemies cast confusion and daze on you. There are hardly any merchants. Then in Chapter II - it's the same. Was the campaign even designed for LV 1 - 13 characters? Even in Chapter I when I played as a LV 1 character just to test it - traps and enemies were everywhere and they were very powerful. In Chapter II when you enter the temple, I could've sworn some enemies had just been planted there without any thought of what they do.


Not the most epic story coming from Bioware, but personally, I found it enjoyable. The story seemed a bit comical, but it was a nice welcome for me. 

Now, I passed SoU numerous times with a level 1 characters of varying classes from start to finish. To be frank, it was one of the easiest campaigns I've ever played (if you ever desire to see what hard is like, try playing baldur's gate [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]). It actually isn't that hard when you consider the abilities of your henchman, and how the mechanics work. If your enemies cast confusion and daze on you, focus on improving your saves or use mind-protection spells; you can even down a potion of clarity. Manage your inventory wisely, and plan your tactics before charging through a dungeon. The thing about the difficulty early on in the campaign is the fact that at level 1, your character only has so many hitpoints. Plan around that, and the game is a lot easier. 

Elton John is dead wrote...
No and I don't care. They're made by fans not Bioware and each are different from NWN's campaign. The one I did play was called Good Vs Evil III which had no story but had you fighting in wars and building your army. That doesn't sound like NWN to me. It's just been build with the fantastic aurora toolset


Your missing out.

Modules and community content are only as good as the time and effort put in by the authors who create them, not whether or not they are Bioware or are backed by Bioware, even if Bioware is a reputable company. If you think about it, even the original campaigns came out of the toolset. Just because they don't have Bioware attached to them doesn't mean they they are anything less NWN. In fact, I've played modules that are much more technologically developed than Daggerford, and some with stories that I find more palatable and epic. 

Some are even placed in Forgotten Realms (Like Neverwinter, Daggerford, Waterdeep, etc.,) if your into something a little closer to the feel of NWN. You should sample more of whats out there, otherwise you just won't know what your missing. 

Don't be stubborn with a game that offers you limitless hours of fun--for free.  


Please point out WHERE I called all fan made modules rubbish...didn't think so. I simply said that nearly every fan module is different from NWN + Expansions and I proved that with the Good Vs Evil III comparison. This whole argument has steamed from the fact of an idiot's (Oliver Leroux)  misunderstanding of English where he believed I was calling Good Vs Evil III rubbish when I was clearly using it as an example that NWN modules are different from NWN's campaign:

jmlzemaggo wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...
It's how NWN should have been.

Wrong. 
It's how NWN is. Do you know how many community modules are waiting for you at the Vault?


Elton John is dead wrote...

No and I don't care. They're made by fans not Bioware and each are different from NWN's campaign. The one I did play was called Good Vs Evil III which had no story but had you fighting in wars and building your army. That doesn't sound like NWN to me. It's just been build with the fantastic aurora toolset.


               
               

               


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« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2011, 11:04:56 pm »


               

Elton John is dead wrote...

AndarianTD wrote...


There is nothing in your profile about advertising modules made by fans.


Check my posts idiot:

http://social.bioware.com/1491421/


So apparently, I'm supposed to read through this gentleman's posting history to the forums (!) before taking his comments here at face value. At the risk of insulting the intelligence of the thread's other readers: please.

In any event I can't even do that. When I click the link above, receive the following message:

You do not have permission to view this page. The user whose page you are trying to view has placed you on their blocklist.


Rather convenient, that.

/Done with this
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2011, 11:16:40 pm »


               

AndarianTD wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

AndarianTD wrote...


There is nothing in your profile about advertising modules made by fans.


Check my posts idiot:

http://social.bioware.com/1491421/


So apparently, I'm supposed to read through this gentleman's posting history to the forums (!) before taking his comments here at face value. At the risk of insulting the intelligence of the thread's other readers: please.

In any event I can't even do that. When I click the link above, receive the following message:

You do not have permission to view this page. The user whose page you are trying to view has placed you on their blocklist.


Rather convenient, that.

/Done with this


Nope but you plainly stated that you checked my profile before if you hadn't forgotten:

AndarianTD wrote...


There is nothing in your profile about advertising modules made by fans.


Oh the irony. Please get educated. Come back when you've gone to debating classes. You'd find that you and the others have set themselves for fall all along the way.

olivier leroux wrote...

That tells me everything I wanted to know, thanks.


Okay believe what you want, I couldn't care. You've not answered my questions and so that tells me everything I wanted to know, thanks.
               
               

               


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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2011, 11:26:13 pm »


               A BSN user's forums posting history is not part of their profile. There is a tab link to it from the profile, but that is not the same thing. Certainly I saw the gentleman's forums history tab there, but I did not search through it for evidence of his familiarity with other NWN mods for reasons too obvious to explain without insulting the intelligence of the thread's other readers.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2011, 11:27:52 pm »


               I'm surprised a moderator hasn't locked this thread, but before they do...

Don't bother wasting any more keystrokes on this guy. He's obviously just another example of the type of pubescent trolls that now frequent these boards - and the Community in general.

To EJID - I can read English just fine. Trash also means to "throw away". Next time pick up a dictionary instead of relying on the one that came pre-installed with your PC. I also take offense to being referred as an "idiot" just because I differed with you on your opinion. And if its not me you were referring to, then I take offense anyway.

Edited to remove nasty comment - It's so beneath me to do such things ':police:'
               
               

               


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« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2011, 11:29:00 pm »


               It's part of the profile. It's accessed through the profile and thus it's part of the profile. In any case, others can confirm that I am advertising several NWN modules there and thus everyone's argument against me is destroyed. I don't advertise games or modules if I haven't played them, it's a simple as that. You've contradicted yourself anyway once again by coming back here.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2011, 11:30:44 pm »


               

Pstemarie wrote...

I'm surprised a moderator hasn't locked this thread, but before they do...

Don't bother wasting any more keystrokes on this guy. He's obviously just another example of the type of pubescent trolls that now frequent these boards - and the Community in general.

To EJID - I can read English just fine. Trash also means to "throw away". Next time pick up a dictionary instead of relying on the one that came pre-installed with your PC. I also take offense to being referred as an "idiot" just because I differed with you on your opinion. And if its not me you were referring to, then I take offense anyway. GO HOME TROLL!


Actually, I was giving my opinion on NWN. You're just another example of an idiot who can't accept anything bad said about their favourite game or creation. You can't read English fine, nor can you understand it, otherwise you would have seen that I had played fan modules. Further more, I was raised in England, so I would have more understanding of the English language than you Americans who have corrupted the English language. Heh, I bet you don't even know what slang is.

IDIOT!
               
               

               


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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2011, 11:33:34 pm »


               LMAO
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2011, 11:35:21 pm »


               

Elton John is dead wrote...

Please point out WHERE I called all fan made modules rubbish...didn't think so. I simply said that nearly every fan module is different from NWN + Expansions and I proved that with the Good Vs Evil III comparison. This whole argument has steamed from the fact of an idiot's (Oliver Leroux)  misunderstanding of English where he believed I was calling Good Vs Evil III rubbish when I was clearly using it as an example that NWN modules are different from NWN's campaign:

Gee, I wasn't trying to insult you.  I was merely pointing out that there is much more "NWN" material out there that is probably worth your time to check out without the dichotomous fan vs. bioware segregation.
               
               

               


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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2011, 11:35:47 pm »


               

Pstemarie wrote...

LMAO


Who's the troll now? I think you should look up what troll means and it's one who makes a topic go off-topic or posts pointless things like you do. I bet you think you're all hard and tough speaking the way you do on the web. Try that in real life. Apply to people online the same respect you do to people in real life. I gave my opinion and stated it was my opinion, I only called you and others idiots when they ignored everything I had said.

MingWolf wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Please point out WHERE I called all fan made modules rubbish...didn't think so. I simply said that nearly every fan module is different from NWN + Expansions and I proved that with the Good Vs Evil III comparison. This whole argument has steamed from the fact of an idiot's (Oliver Leroux) misunderstanding of English where he believed I was calling Good Vs Evil III rubbish when I was clearly using it as an example that NWN modules are different from NWN's campaign:


Gee, I wasn't trying to insult you. I was merely pointing out that there is much more "NWN" material out there that is probably worth your time to check out without the dichotomous fan vs. bioware segregation.


All I was simply stating was that the fan modules I have tried that are in Hall of fame - aren't as good as Daggerford IMO.
               
               

               


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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2011, 11:37:44 pm »


               And now for something completly different...


Hyperactive - Lasse Gjertsen

Now back to the mudflinging....