Subrace Related Questions

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

Ah, I wondered why it was in a zip file only. I am not a guy, but I have deleted it, lol.

 

Ok, I have put it into my override folder, and I can now add the feats when editing items in the toolset. Is much more feats to select.

 

I thank you for your help, but I still have one more question.

 

If I edit our module, while using the 2da file in my override folder, and send it to our server host, will it work ok on his server? I ask because this is not a single player module, it is for our persistant world server.

yes it will work, in this case players dont have to have this 2da in their haks/override, the only drawback is that if you add one of these extra feats on item that is visible to pc and pc can examine it he will see "bonus feat: bad streff" instead of correct name. The only way to fix this is by adding this 2da into your custom haks and force players to download them.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Sadira of Tyr]

               

Well, these feats are for subraces, so I can put the feats on the PC's creature skin, and they will not see any bad streffs. As long as they get the feats, I do not mind the bad streffs. Now if I could figure out why players sometimes lose their creature skins, then everything will be fine, lol.

 

Thank you Shadooow, I appreciate the help.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Shadooow]

               

Well, these feats are for subraces, so I can put the feats on the PC's creature skin, and they will not see any bad streffs.

Yes, exactly in this case it will work fine without using custom haks.

 

Now if I could figure out why players sometimes lose their creature skins, then everything will be fine, lol.

If you have ILR or ELC server option turned on, the skin disappears each time player logs in. My latest unofficial patch fixes this issue.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_MrZork]

               

Note that putting things on creature skins can add complications when the PC does certain things, like horse riding or polymorphing. In other words, if a subrace is supposed to have +2 charisma and that is implemented by adding Great Charisma II to the creature skin, then the PC may lose that when shifted (even if the shift is not supposed to affect charisma).

 

Of course, it should be easy enough to modify the polymorph script to copy creature skin properties to the polymorphed creature skin. But, that is another complication and (as far as I know) it will still cause spell slot issues.

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Sadira of Tyr]

               

We do not use ILR or ELC, but have had reports of players losing their subrace properties. It does not happen often, but it does happen. However we do have an item to reapply the properties if they are lost. I have considered using your unofficial patch, and have read the documents, but it only explains how to add the patch as a hak. I have not found out how to install it, so that it is an option for players, and not a requirement.

 

As far as I know, polymorphing removes all ability bonuses from items, so I do not think losing some great feats will really matter. Most of our players avoid polymorphing, as the forms are weak, and having to reset spells from lost slots. We have one player who loves horses, but mostly plays humans anyways. The rest pretty much avoid horses, as the cep horse models can cause lag. 

               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Proleric]

               Did you find the CEP appearance.2da? If not, open the CEP top hak with nwhak, and export appearance.2da. In notepad, with word wrap off, you'll easily find the appearance (row) number by searching for the description shown in the toolset.


Regarding skins, the 1.69 Horse tutorial in the Lexicon explains how to script skin conservation.


That approach works, even if you don't want to implement the 1.69 horses, which are an improvement on the old CEP ones IMO.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               

Yeah, that tutorial you wrote, Proleric, should have been part of the documentation for the 1.69 patch. It's invaluable to understanding the horse system and creature scaling.