Possible Pathfinder MMO

[Legacy_Tarot Redhand]

               I hope this isn't too far off-topic. I recently recieved an email from paizo asking for me to pledge for a new game they want to get off the ground. A few days later I recieved an offer I almost coudn't refuse (its Christmas - I'm broke ). The offer was that if I pledged $100, they would let me have oodles of their books. So I thought I ought to let others know what all the fuss is about. If you are curious just go here. 

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[Legacy_kamal_]

               They did a kickstarter for their tech demo.
http://www.kickstart...-demo?ref=users

So this is the full MMO I guess.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_WebShaman]

               Oh, how I mourn the lost opportunity of a Pathfinder NWN style CRPG...

I think I will go sulk for awhile.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tarot Redhand]

               Just a quick update. I have now recieved a second email from paizo. In it they mention that they have increased the rewards for pledging. They have added about 15 more pdf books to the $100 pledge and a couple to the $35 pledge.

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[Legacy_Tarot Redhand]

                Further update recieved. This one is probably the last and has a link to a working mock-up of what may become the game. It is to be found here.

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[Legacy_NWN_baba yaga]

               Is there any MMO outthere that is "realy" different then the 10 clones from the 10 other clones before the clone wars started except the name, company and promises they made how different and innovative this is going to be... oh wait... that is also everytime the same lol! Expanding the clone wars '>

So the question is are you a clone who plays clone mmo´s to be cloned one day into a new named but still the same cloned MMO clone player clone?
               
               

               

                     Modifié par NWN_baba yaga, 11 janvier 2013 - 08:56 .
                     
                  

            

[Legacy_Urk]

               Not interested. At all. Sorry dude. Too bad they didn't try to do something more innovative. MMOs are just boring.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tarot Redhand]

               The trouble is they tend to make money. Me? I'm a solo player. I don't diss online play, I just don't enjoy it.

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[Legacy_Pstemarie]

               Why would anyone need a Pathfinder - which is just a clone of D&D 3.5 Open Source - anything when we have NWN, can pretty much script anything we want, and make PWs?

Don't get me wrong, personally I like the Pathfinder RPG, but with the Aurora Toolset - which has proven in its 10-year existance to be possibly the most user-friendly design platform ever released to the public I'd like to think that we already have what a Pathfinder RPG would offer. Granted the graphics aren't as good in many areas - player-characters, but given enough time we'll get over that hump too.
               
               

               

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[Legacy_Sith_exar_kun]

               Pathfinder imho is way better than D&D 3.5, I pledge 15$ because I'm only interested in the Emerald Spire Dungeon pdf.
I used to pledge 100$ but I discovered that It won't follow Pathfinder rules, character developement will be more "like skyrim" so I lowered my pledge.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Failed.Bard]

               It doesn't follow pathfinder rules because it ~can't~ follow them.  They'd have to get WotC's permission to use the d20 system their game is built on in any alternate media format.  Books, and digital forms of books (PDFs and such), are all the license agreement allows.
 Since that might cut into potential profits of their own MMO (assuming it's ever released), WotC has no reason to give that permission.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tarot Redhand]

               Had what is probably the last email from Paizo on the subject of their kickstarter. It seems they were successful. In fact so successful that they are offering a discount for next month. Here is a quote from that email with all the relevant details.

"To celebrate the success of the Kickstarter—and to thank you for putting up with all that messaging!—we're giving everyone a special discount code for use in the paizo.com store during the month of February. Just enter the code ksthanks  during checkout between February 1 and February 28, and receive 10% off of one entire order! This is an untyped bonus, so it stacks with other discounts; if you're a Pathfinder Adventure Path subscriber, you'll receive your Pathfinder Advantage discount as well. This discount code does not work on subscriptions, backorders, preorders, gift certificates, pledge drives, books from Completist Publications, or non-Paizo electronic products, but there are tens of thousands of fantastic gaming products it does work on!"

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[Legacy_Androrc]

               

Failed.Bard wrote...

 It doesn't follow pathfinder rules because it ~can't~ follow them.  They'd have to get WotC's permission to use the d20 system their game is built on in any alternate media format.  Books, and digital forms of books (PDFs and such), are all the license agreement allows.
 Since that might cut into potential profits of their own MMO (assuming it's ever released), WotC has no reason to give that permission.

I'm not sure whether that's accurate. I have looked at the OGL multiple times, and so far haven't been able to find any clause limiting d20 computer games from being made.
               
               

               
            

[Legacy_Tarot Redhand]

               Looks like something else is happening on kickstarter that I think will interest a lot of people on here. The news item on Gamespot is here. I'll just say the one word - Torment.

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[Legacy_Urk]

               

Androrc wrote...

Failed.Bard wrote...

 It doesn't follow pathfinder rules because it ~can't~ follow them.  They'd have to get WotC's permission to use the d20 system their game is built on in any alternate media format.  Books, and digital forms of books (PDFs and such), are all the license agreement allows.
 Since that might cut into potential profits of their own MMO (assuming it's ever released), WotC has no reason to give that permission.

I'm not sure whether that's accurate. I have looked at the OGL multiple times, and so far haven't been able to find any clause limiting d20 computer games from being made.

You are quite right Androrc. It's not even an issue of licencing, It's a copyright issue. Procedures simply cannot be copyrighted.

By extension, therefore, game rules can't be copyrighted.

The artistic presentation of the rules can be copyrighted, as can plot, character, and setting elements, but game rules themselves are public domain. You cannot copyright RPG rules any more than you can copyright the rules of football (or other commonly used procedures; like double entry bookeeping, for example).

That's why pathfinder exists in the first place. Like OSRIC (Advanced D&D), Labrynth Lord (Basic D&D) and Swords & Wizardry (White Box or OD&D), Pathfinder started out as a D&D clone that was made without the consent of WotC or Hasbro. As long as the artistic presentation of the rules is unique there is no copyright infrigment.

Of course, this complicates the marketing of such projects, and until Pathfinder broke the barrier they have traditionally been marginalized because as soon as you SAY "This is a D&D clone" you have crossed the line into copyright infringment. The terms "D&D" and "Dungeons & Dragons" are part of a legally copyrighted artistic expression and cannot be used without Hasbro's permission. 

Pathfinder has since evolved into something slightly different, but what makes it legal is that it doesn't make any refences to protected IP like campaign settings or characters. They would be well within their legal rights to use the 3.5 rules without any changes at all as long as they changed "Bigby's Crushing Hand" to simply "Crushing Hand".
               
               

               

                     Modifié par Urk, 14 mars 2013 - 02:13 .