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Legacy_Skellimancer

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« on: June 12, 2011, 04:51:27 pm »


               Never played one of these before and wondered what feats I should aim for.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Failed.Bard

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2011, 05:15:20 pm »


               Feats will really depend on how you want to play them.  If you're considering more a stealth type, you'll likely want dodge and mobility so you can take shadowdancer levels.
 There's actually a considerable variety in the way monks can be played, since they're a hybrid stealth/melee class.  They have decent BAB, decent AC, decent HPs, good saves, but don't really excel at anything but spell resistance as a "pure" class.

 What they do provide, is a fairly customizable base class to build on with some of the others.  Monk/rangers make excellent dual kama wielders, as do monk/fighters.  Monk/SD/Assassin is a fairly good sneak attack damage dealer and great as an anti-mage character.
 It'll really come down to play style for what feats are best, do you have an idea what way you're planning to play it?
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Skellimancer

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2011, 05:27:43 pm »


               Never thought of Multiclassing. Is Assassin for evil only? if so i will just go full Monk. Not really bothered about min/maxing but I don't want to make a bad Monk.
               
               

               


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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 05:52:13 pm »


               useful pre-epic feats for (rather pure) monk:
Weapon finesse (if you will be dex based and thats more viable option really)
Power Attack (if str based or charisma based with Divine Shield/Might feat)
Toughness
Dodge
Improved critical (unarmed/kama) and Weapon focus
Expetise and Improved Expertise
Skill focus: discipline/Great fortitude (are rather for pvp)

If you multiclassing with paladin you will want to take also:
Extend spell
Divine Shield
possibly also Divine Might

If you multiclass with cleric you will want:
Extend spell
possibly Silent spell
Divine Shield is not much good option for cleric combo (IE do this job)

this is as global as possible, there are other choices but those are affected by environment
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Failed.Bard

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2011, 05:54:27 pm »


               Yes, assassin is evil only.

As a bit of a warning, as appealing as the extra attack from the feat Circle Kick may sound, it's heavily bugged, and should be avoided completely.

As for feats you'll want, dodge, mobility, and expertise are all very handy at the lower levels, since monks AC is low at the start. Toughness is another feat I'd recommend, as well as weapon focus in either unarmed or kama, depending which fighting style you go with.
If you go with kamas, you'll want ambidexterity (min 15 dex) and 2-weapon to offset the dual-wield attack penalties, and improved 2-weapon later on if possible.

You'd mentioned not planning to multi-class, but if you do, taking 4 fighter levels before 20th would get you three extra feats, as well as an extra attack a round, which will help out in the long run.
               
               

               


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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2011, 05:57:00 pm »


               Thanks for these tips! Never thought about adding fighter levels for extra attacks. I just want to use fists as it looks funny.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2011, 06:18:35 pm »


               Pure Monk - Mage killer on swift feet!
Monk/ DwD - kama weilding STR bringer of death. Also Defensive Awareness for the win!
Monk/ Rog - UMD, Tumble, and even Appraise; Uncanny Dodge for avoiding AC weakness.

All good ones thus far! The problem is surviving at lower lvls for me, but should do fine in mod play.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2011, 08:51:57 pm »


               Maybe i'm wrong, but isnt the Monk like - the Paladin- a class that cant assume more levels as itself after multiclassing? At least in the D&D rules?


If yes, Skelli, DONT DO IT!
This would be a blasphemy to his Holyness, Gary Gygax!!!
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Elhanan

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2011, 09:37:55 pm »


               

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

Maybe i'm wrong, but isnt the Monk like - the Paladin- a class that cant assume more levels as itself after multiclassing? At least in the D&D rules?

If yes, Skelli, DONT DO IT!
This would be a blasphemy to his Holyness, Gary Gygax!!!


I am fairly certain Ser Gygax had little to do with either 3E or NWN1 rules.... 'Posted
               
               

               
            

Legacy_Shadooow

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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2011, 11:01:52 pm »


               

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

Maybe i'm wrong, but isnt the Monk like - the Paladin- a class that cant assume more levels as itself after multiclassing? At least in the D&D rules?


If yes, Skelli, DONT DO IT!
This would be a blasphemy to his Holyness, Gary Gygax!!!

Yes and no, its difficult. I will explain,

D&D rules are very flexible and they even suggesting to make your own changes. Bioware just took the rules in consideration but changed some things to suit their game. And we are playing by Bioware rules. And mainly Bioware used 3.0 rules when creating this game (think 3.5 wasnt done in that time yet).

And monk in 3.0 could multiclass without any restrictions. In 3.5 he indeed cant take more levels if he multiclass. BUT that applies only for other base classes and non-monk prestige classes. Most monk prestige classes doesnt count for this rule. Also there are various prestige classes that improves monk abilities without need to level monk further like Sacred fist or Enlightment fist which you could get with additional books, WotC marketing...

This is the same for paladin however both 3.0 and 3.5 rules have special rule for paladin that commit an evil act/changes his alignment from lawfull good to anything else. Such paladin is called ex-paladin and cant uses most of his abilities until he get back on his path. BUT there is always but, if such paladin takes a Blackguard prestige class then his old paladin level is count together with blackguard and epic blackguard can even "absorp" all paladins levels and exchange them for Blackguard (+- im not totally sure how exactly this should work but you get the idea).

So that is it.
               
               

               
            

Legacy_HipMaestro

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2011, 05:10:29 am »


               

Skellimancer wrote...
Never played one of these before and wondered what feats I should aim for.

Where do you plan on playing this monk?  SP... if so to what level?  PW? Which one?  It matters.  All-purpose solutions are seldom very effective unless you want a jack-of-all master-of-none creature on purpose.
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2011, 07:12:53 am »


               

Failed.Bard wrote...
They have decent BAB, decent AC, decent HPs, good saves, but don't really excel at anything but spell resistance as a "pure" class.

um, me tinks you protest too much  '<img'>  

Monks excel at one thing that no other single class or prc class in all of nwn could!  They STINK!  They smell like stinky cheese!  Formage!  Velveeta!  Cheddar!  Mozzarellla!  That is the MONK!   

Sorry, you are correct.  As a pure lv 40 monk, they dont smell.  They also dont do much else, other than race the road runner and win and beat just about any spell cast on them that they can!

Unfortunately, you need more than "what feats"!  The monk can go so many ways it isnt funny.  You decide HOW you want the monk to play and the feats sort of write themselves. 
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2011, 09:32:10 pm »


               

Elhanan wrote...

Sarevok Anchev wrote...

Maybe i'm wrong, but isnt the Monk like - the Paladin- a class that cant assume more levels as itself after multiclassing? At least in the D&D rules?

If yes, Skelli, DONT DO IT!
This would be a blasphemy to his Holyness, Gary Gygax!!!


I am fairly certain Ser Gygax had little to do with either 3E or NWN1 rules.... 'Posted




BLASPHEMY! '<img'>
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2011, 11:05:07 pm »


               From the GG WIki:

Leaving TSR
During his time in Hollywood, Gygax left the day-to-day operations of TSR to his fellow board members, Kevin and Brian Blume.[9] In 1984, he discovered that TSR had run into serious financial difficulties.[38] By the time he came back to Wisconsin in 1984, the company was US$1.5 million in debt.[9] At this point, he hired Lorraine Williams to manage the company. He engineered the removal of Kevin Blume as CEO in 1984, but the Blume brothers subsequently sold their majority shares in the company to Lorraine Williams.[9] By this time, it was evident that Gygax and Williams had differing visions of the future of TSR, and Gygax took TSR to court in a bid to block the Blumes' sale of their shares to Williams, but he lost. In October 1985, TSR's Board of Directors removed Gygax as the company's President and Chairman of the Board. He remained on the board as a Director and made no further contributions to the company's creative efforts.[39] Sales of Dungeons & Dragons reached US$29 million by 1985,[5] but Gygax, seeing his future at TSR as untenable, left the company on December 31, 1985.

I was pretty much boxed out of the running of the company because the two guys, who between them had a controlling interest, thought they could run the company better than I could. I was set up because I could manage. In 1982 nobody on the West Coast would deal with TSR, but they had me start a new corporation called "Dungeons and Dragons Entertainment." It took a long time and a lot of hard work to get to be recognized as someone who was for real and not just a civilian, shall we say, in entertainment. Eventually, though, we got the cartoon show going (on CBS) and I had a number of other projects in the works. While I was out there, though, I heard that the company was in severe financial difficulties and one of the guys, the one I was partnered with, was shopping it on the street in New York. I came back and discovered a number of gross mismanagements in all areas of the company. The bank was foreclosing and we were a million and a half in debt. We eventually got that straightened out, but I kind of got one of my partners kicked out of office. [Kevin Blume, who was removed as TSR CEO in 1984.] Then my partners, in retribution for that, sold his shares to someone else [Lorraine Williams]. I tried to block it in court, but in the ensuing legal struggle the judge ruled against me. I lost control of the company, and it was then at that point I just decided to sell out.[37]

Before leaving TSR, Gygax had authored two novels for TSR's Greyhawk Adventures series featuring Gord the Rogue: Saga of Old City (the first Greyhawk novel)[26] and Artifact of Evil. By the terms of his settlement with TSR, Gygax kept the rights to Gord the Rogue as well as all D&D characters whose names were anagrams or plays on his own name (for example, Yrag and Zagyg).[40] However, he lost the rights to all his other work, including the World of Greyhawk and the names of all the characters he had ever used in TSR material, such as Mordenkainen, Robilar, and Tenser. In October 1986, Gygax resigned all positions with TSR, Inc., and he settled his disputes with TSR in December 1986.[39]
               
               

               
            

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2011, 08:27:36 pm »


               Damn Dude, be careful Stanley Woo punishes Wiki-Spam!  ;D

I was jk that Skelli shouldnt pick a build against the rules, because she would go and arouse the fury of Gary's Wraithform

*hint*KIDDING*hint*hint*